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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one would be talking about whether the new housing would be affordable if the YIMBYs hadn’t promised that doing their ideas would result in affordable housing. Now that people are calling them on their broken promise they’re claiming that they never said that, that if you want affordable housing you’re a NIMBY, or a combination of both. It’s really a great movement you have going there. [/quote]

Weird how rich SFH owners never offer price controls when they sell their own houses (instead selling for huge sums of money), they just demand that "developers" give away apartments to poor people.

I wonder why that is?

Hint: Please look up New Zealand to see proof that (surprise!) supply and demand works. Also, take Econ 101. Or, just Econ 1. lol.[/quote]

I’m not demanding that anyone give away units, just restating the fact that YIMBY ideas haven’t driven prices down. They promised that they would drive down prices, and anyone who disagreed with as shouted down as a NIMBY. As it turns out, the skeptics were right.

I agree that increasing supply dramatically would work, but YIMBY ideas haven’t increased supply dramatically. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. YIMBY policies have reduced the land where housing can be built and have made building out places like Crown and Clarksburg really expensive.

YIMBYs are quite effective at grabbing attention, but they squander it by shouting supply and demand at everyone. YIMBYs have been quite effective at filling elected offices and commissions but they don’t seem to think critically about whether what they’re doing has actually worked and keep rolling out the same ideas that have resulted in the housing market they we have now. [/quote]

You're complaining about the Ag Reserve, which has existed since 1980. You're also complaining about Clarksburg, whose master plan has existed since 1994 and which is not, actually, really expensive. And then there's Crown, which is infill, and the City of Gaithersburg annexed it in 2006 (after years of discussion).

Maybe people got in their time machine and retroactively instituted these evil plans?[/quote]

Remind me what are the fees that developers pay to build SFH in Crown and Clarksburg and are they three or four times higher than what developers pay to build apartments in Bethesda? Do you think maybe those fees have suppressed new SFH supply and made prices go up for everything? And didn’t planning and chief YIMBY Hans Riemer actually want to make those fees upcounty even higher?[/quote]

Is Hans Riemer in the room with you right now?

Any fees at Crown are set by the City of Gaithersburg. Crown seems quite close to build-out.

Clarksburg is also very close to build-out, so no, I don't think those fees suppressed supply.[/quote]

No, impact fees are set by the county. Otherwise, you seem to know a lot about development in Montgomery County except how it actually works or what built out means. [/quote]

Ok, you're right, the City of Gaithersburg does not set its own impact fees. However, the City of Rockville does.

https://www.rockvillemd.gov/DocumentCenter/View/887/Public-Works-Development-Fees?bidId=[/quote]

Closer but still wrong. [/quote]

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