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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I actually meant Ukraine,
Doesn’t Ukraine want to keep their remaining men alive? [/quote]

I’m sure they do, but not at the expense of their freedom.  Our own history is built on similar sentiments like Patrick Henry who is remembered for saying, “Give me liberty or give me death!”  and the sacrifice of men like Nathaniel Hale who is reported for saying before his execution, “ I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.”.

Thousands have died through our history and many more have fought and suffered to gain and preserve our freedom.  While we may get caught up in our daily lives and take our freedom for granted, we should not forget the great cost that was paid to allow is that luxury.

Ukraine is at a turning point now.  They can surrender and live under tyranny (at least until Putin makes political reprisals or drafts them as cannon fodder for his next invasion), or they can fight for the same freedom we enjoy.  We have no right to tell them their freedom is less precious than our own and they should surrender it because we decide the cost to them is too high.

While we’re remembering things, there are a few more items that would be useful to remember:

First, we did not win our independence by ourselves.  If not for the help of French we almost certainly would have lost the Revolution, meaning that not only ourselves, but also those who have been inspired by our example (including the Ukrainians) would likely remain under tyranny.

Secondly, history has shown us that appeasement doesn’t satisfy invading dictators.  When Chamberlain sacrificed the Sudatenland, he claimed it would secure “peace for our time”.  It didn’t.  Putin has already said that he wants to take back lands that had been previously claimed by Russia, and historically, Russia/the USSR claimed significantly more than Ukraine, especially if you factor in the Soviet block countries.  For that matter, Alaska was once Russian, as well.

Finally, we should remember that when the US helped convince Ukraine to return the nuclear weapons the Soviet Union had stationed there, it was with our security assurances (along with those of Russia and the UK).  Russia has proven that they can’t be trusted, and frankly the US isn’t doing much better.  We persuaded them to weaken their defensive position, and then under Trump we’ve tried to leverage US aid for his political gain, extorted Ukraine for profit, and complained that they aren’t sufficiently grateful, all while fawning over Putin (with out-of-office Trump claiming the invasion was “genius” and “savvy”).

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Give them liberty, or give them death!

What a foreign policy. [/quote]

The irony is they don’t even have liberty. Get tossed into a van, beaten for speaking your language, can’t go to your church and can’t even vote to change the situation.

So it’s just death.[/quote]

Speaking of death it looks like Russian hackers have the Ukrainian casualty list. 1.7 million, with 2025 already higher than 2024. And unlike wild claims in the west, they have names, locations and other details.[/quote]

Surely can believe Russian hackers.[/quote]

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