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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Trump was originally slated to go, Vance was unable for “security reasons”. Then suddenly they send Vance. I think they know it’s hopeless and trump doesn’t care about Vance’s future. He wants him to take the blame. [/quote]

Trump and the Iranian delegation together is a bad idea.  They both are full of hubris, like to make threats, play act for the cameras and always have maximalist demands.[/quote]

If you have been truly following what has been happening for the pat 40 days and not just  talking out of your @$$, you would realize the Iranian delegation is smarter and more strategic than us even with, "the cards they have been dealt with," to paraphrase our urbane President.

The US military has been defeated. It performed worse than Russia. In fact if we had gone head to head with Ukraine, Ukraine would have won the war.

The sad part is that we cannot even quickly pivot. Our entire economic system is built to support large weapons manufacturers which are usless now in comparison to cheap drones. The mythology of our empire is built on saavy, handsome fighter pilots and those large weapons can no longer be updated because of the freeze on essential minerals and parts from China.

We are doomed. [/quote]

Case in point:

[twitter]https://x.com/meidastouch/status/2043065435885858937?s=46[/twitter][/quote]

American defense companies in shambles. Buying non-US weapon systems is going to be politically popular everywhere after a year of Trump. Can't imagine shareholders at Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, and General Dynamics are thrilled with what Republicans are doing.  [/quote]

The idea that “American defense companies are in shambles” just isn’t supported by real‑world performance. When U.S. systems were actually used, they performed exactly as advertised: Patriot interceptors repeatedly stopped ballistic missiles, NASAMS and other U.S.-linked systems shot down cruise missiles and drones, and U.S. precision weapons like JASSM, Tomahawk, and JDAM‑ER consistently hit defended targets. The real critique isn’t capability, it’s cost per shot, because you can’t keep firing million‑dollar interceptors at $20k drones forever. That’s an economics problem, not a failure of engineering.

By contrast, the systems that did collapse under real combat pressure were Russian and Chinese. China’s HQ‑9B and YLC‑8B “anti‑stealth” radars failed catastrophically in Iran, unable to detect or intercept anything before being jammed or destroyed. Russia’s S‑300 and S‑400 batteries have been repeatedly wiped out by Ukrainian long‑range missiles: Neptune, Storm Shadow, ATACMS, even improvised systems, despite being marketed as top‑tier. Iran’s domestic high‑end systems (Bavar‑373, Talaash, Khordad‑15, Arman) also failed to intercept incoming strikes and suffered heavy losses. If anything, the last few years have validated U.S. systems and severely damaged the export credibility of their competitors.[/quote]

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