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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The [i]meaning[/i] is different because this physical life is not all that there is.  Humans did not arise blindly.  They were made purposefully.  They were made for eternity.  So they are not atoms that come together and fall apart.  They are that, and something immaterial, too.  And their physical life informs their metaphysical life.

So it is not "no God, bad" versus "God, good."  It is "no God, no bad or good," versus "God, good that we can choose to do or not do."  Or, more specifically, "no God, no bad or good, except what we choose to believe for ourselves," versus, "God, good that we can choose to conform to or reject."

Does that make any sense?[/quote]
I'll move past the question of whether there's a basis for morality w/o a deity, b/c I don't want to get bogged down in that.

The bigger issue is that that when you say that a deity automatically gives your a moral compass, you're doing exactly what I said before: redefining "good," "just," etc. to mean "that which the deity wants." Belief in a deity isn't a basis for morality; it's just a basis for obedience.

Put another way, your big leap is putting the word "good" in the last phrase of your post. It should be, "Deity, to whose wishes (assuming we can somehow identify them) we can conform or not."

Yes, if there were a deity and it communicated its wishes, I would be faced with the question of whether to conform, just as with other authorities.

All this is still outside of your original question. Your statements can only contribute to an argument for choosing to believe. I addressed that argument earlier, but you said it was a straw man.

Your question was why don't I believe. You still haven't addressed my question of why you don't believe in any of the things I listed.[/quote]

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