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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Twitter thread has great debate on this. This is what’s coming and so blah compared to past builds.
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Did you actually read the whole thread?  The author says that zoning is the problem....[/quote]

Don’t be ridiculous. Developers would still build this cheap trash if zoning allowed them to build it elsewhere. We don’t need to encourage them to ruin all of America with this junk. They are absolutely terrible to live in. There is no soundproofing, the smell of your neighbors marijuana flows readily through the wall into other units. It should be illegal to build apartment buildings unless they are made of concrete. 
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Just reading the thread that was posted.  This is what it says as one of the causes:

"In American cities, very little land is legal to build multi-family homes on. In San Jose, 94% of residential land is single-family only. Zones where multi-family homes can be built are sparse and thus extremely competitive — only the biggest developers can compete.  Once these developers have the plot, they economize. They squeeze the building right up to the boundaries, and build on a scale that small, local developers can't afford. Then they save more money by copy-pasting the designs in every city they operate in."

"zoning laws benefit the scaled developers."

"When America restructured around the motorcar, people moved out to the suburbs and commuted in via the new highways.

"Retail was relegated to operating where people drive rather than live — again because of zoning."[/quote]
This is all facts. Suburbs are an abomination in human culture. You know when parents tell their kids it’s bad to stay in their rooms all day playing video games? Suburbs are like that but for adults. [/quote]

Then why do people keep moving to them? And why did you?[/quote]

Because that's where most of the housing in the US is?[/quote]

Oh, okay. Got it. They’re an “abomination” but contain most of the housing in the US. And people voluntarily choose to live there. Logic checks out.[/quote]

Most of the housing in the U.S. is in suburbs because for 70+ years, a long list of federal, state, and local policies has subsidized housing in the suburbs and discouraged anything else. Please learn some history.

And yes, it is logical that most people live where most of the housing is.[/quote]

That the weird urbanists think that housing exists in suburbs only because of exogenous policy decisions and not because there is demand for it shows just how disconnected from reality they are.[/quote]

That you are unaware of 70 years of history shows just how disconnected from reality you are.[/quote]

Is it even relevant?  It’s successful because people want to live there and actively choose to live in a suburban environment.  They moved there specifically because it’s restricted to single family homes, because that is what they want.  How childish and selfish do you have to be to decide that it should change because you don’t like it?

Yes, people should have housing, no it doesn’t have to be wherever you decide it should be.  The sense of entitlement that YImBYs show is embarrassing.[/quote]

[b]Did everyone living in a suburban environment actively choose to live in a suburban environment? Yes. They had a limited range of options, and from among that limited range of options, they chose the option that worked best for them.[/b]

Did everyone living in a suburban environment move there specifically because it's restricted to single family homes? Absolutely not. What an absurd claim. For one thing, the suburban environment has always included multi-unit as well as single-unit housing. A lot of your Montgomery County neighbors live in townhouses, garden apartments, and big multi-unit buildings. Some of them even live in duplexes, triplexes, and quadplexes! For another thing, who are you to say why everyone who lives in a suburban environment lives in a suburban environment? You are not everyone. Everyone is not you.[/quote]

So you admit that people live in the suburbs because they want to (i.e., there is demand for it), not because government policy forced them to. Great.

Why you feel the need to make the suburbs more like a city and give people even fewer options is beyond me. Except as the other person said, it’s your religion.
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This is true. Most think it is reasonable to allow triplex and quadplex buildings within walking distance of the metro stations (around 1/2 mile radius) as long as they follow existing parking minimums. However, most people absolutely do not support abolishing single family zoning throughout the entire county![/quote]

Most people [i]you talk to[/i] don't support it. However, there are a lot of people you don't talk to.[/quote]

There is a very strong preference for single family homes and neighborhoods that constantly displayed across the US. Go ahead and ban single family zoning, it will only help Republicans win back the Senate in 2024. Many Dems hate this idea and will switch their vote over it. 
https://www.redfin.com/news/millennial-homebuyers-prefer-single-family-homes/#:~:text=While%20every%20homebuyer%20is%20different,work%20and%20the%20ability%20to[/quote]

My preference is for a job that pays me very well to do just as I please. Unfortunately, this is not an option for me. So I have to choose among the options I do have, even though they do not fit my preference as well.[/quote][/quote]

So your solution is to eliminate single family zoning and ruin neighborhoods with density they don't have infrastructure for because you want to live I a cheaper rental. Basically, YIMBYs don't believe in personal accountability and they want to subsidize people that made bad decisions with their life. [/quote]

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