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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Those arguing that she was not mentally ill but instead is a stone cold Casey Anthony type have a huge mountain of circumstantial evidence to get over to get a jury there.

Can we recall a stone cold Casey Anthony type who—totally coincidentally and in no way related to her actions in the subsequent crimes—had also been in a 5-day IOP and on 15 different psychiatric meds since September but been entirely healed, cured, with no remaining trace of the level of thought derangement that leads to that level of those medications and somewhat frantic toggling among options to identify what worked, only 4 months before?

No, we cannot.[/quote]

I can't even follow your run-on-sentence. [/quote]

It’s long, but not a run-on. No one is as crazy she was in month 1 and fully sane, but with a new bent for extreme evildoing, in Month 4. That dog just don’t hunt.[/quote]

She can have mental illness and still be capable of committing murder. Not guilty by reason of insanity is a very specific and high bar and it does not apply to anyone with a mental illness. When she came to in the hospital, she didn't ask what happened. She knew - and all she wanted to know was if she needed a lawyer. Doesn't sound like a mother who is shocked that her kids are dead and she is the one who did it. [/quote]

That’s true and may well be the prosecution’s argument. It doesn’t make it the God’s honest truth of what happened. We don’t know, but there are some
significant signals that this woman was pretty severely ill and was regarded that way by those closest to her. Mom saying it’s “good to see her looking so good”—that is not a thing that is commonly said about someone who was previously in the pink of good health. Same with husband jumping to “what did you do?” She’s absolutely correct that she needs an attorney, and a good one.

As attractive as it may be to frame her asking that question as evidence of cold-bloodedness, [b]the reality is that psychosis does not invalidate all of one’s intelligence or executive functions.[/b][/quote]

That's pretty much the definition of psychosis.[/quote]

No, it really is not. Psychosis is a degree of disconnection from reality, but it doesn’t always show up in a person who is also looking stuporous and seeming incapable of self-care. The DSM definition is the presence of one out of four kinds of thought disturbance. Hallucinations and delusions are two of them. You can have either of these without things like speech, self-care, ability to plan a dinner order necessarily being affected.[/quote]

There is no evidence she experienced any of that. In fact neither she nor her husband nor any of her doctors had ever heard or used the word psyschosis until the shink hired by her lawyer after the murders used it. Prosecution has access to all of her medical records and have interviewed the husband extensively. [/quote]

Having not been identified as psychotic in the past is an element, but it’s not the whole story. A person with severe PPD could experience a psychotic break as another step on that continuum of illness. In fact, it is far likelier—as a purely statistical matter—than encountering the stone cold psychopath that some here seem to be arguing that she is.[/quote]

+1 no one in this thread seems to understand mental illness [/quote]

No, we just understand that people can be mentally ill and still guilty of murder. If mental illness was a get out of jail free card, the jails would be almost empty. [/quote]

I never said she wasn’t guilty! I’m only saying that people saying oh this was all calculated and plotted and clearly just evil and not mental illness are not making any sense to me.[/quote]

What do you think about Casey Anthony and Christopher Watts? Were they mentally ill or evil? Both? I think this lady may have been mentally ill but is definitely evil.[/quote]

Evil is a theological claim. It has nothing to do with mental illness one way or the other. [/quote]

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