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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The secret service has a long history of lying.[/quote]
 
Ornato and Engel can’t admit they told anyone what Trump did in the car because it’s a serious breach of security protocol to gossip about stupid shit that their protectees do and say. Discretion is more sacred than truth. [/quote]

No, it’s not. Not when you’re watching an attempted coup play out.  It sounds like even the secret service guys were in a pickle that day.  Just like everyone else that worked in proximity to Trump.  DOD officials, etc.    The truth will set them all free.[/quote]
Interesting that Pence was allowed to refuse to do what USSS wanted and Trump was not.[/quote]

You raise an interesting point. Secret Service agents are human and want to manhandle their protectee as little as possible, obviously. They can pressure someone to get in a car, but they might balk a little at physically forcing someone to get in - which they have every right to do if they feel their protectee is in mortal danger. There's just a moment of doubt, and Pence, who is no fool, used that to his advantage by INSISTING that he knew he was on to them and he would not get in that car. If protesters had burst in their little area at that moment, there is no doubt the Secret Service would have pushed him in the car.

Pence knows that when you're in the backseat, it's too late. He said as much to his Secret Service.
Trump got in, and his Secret Service, who had ALREADY studied the risks and ALREADY told him he was not going to the Capitol, had to tussle with a man who can't understand the word no.

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This is a really big deal. This is not about Trump. This means the Secret Service can remove or prevent a president from meeting with people or actively engaging during a crisis. If the president wants to go to the Capitol during a political crisis or an important vote the SS have to get him there. They should not have a say in the matter. Otherwise the SS is be able to manipulate the president by cut off access, restrict the president’s movements, isolate by holding the president in a secure location, etc. while other actors take advantage of the absence of the president. [/quote]
I think the larger problem is that the USSS appears to have been taken over to some extent by right wing extremists. That’s the actual point here. Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he didn’t feel safe to do so; I’m not sure if he had heard about the maga_s chanting “hang Mike Pence” or if he had seen Trump’s tweet. But the USSS is clearly having problems with nascent fascism in their ranks (or established). [/quote]

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