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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"This post shows that science has its set of objectives, and one of those objectives is not answering 'Why?'"

I know this is just a rhetorical device, but your use of "objective" and "Why?" is just so illuminating.  Because God is supposed to be all loving and all knowing and all powerful, so human objectives and questions are irrelevant.

This post proves that deists have a set of objectives, and one of them is not understanding the will of God.

See how easy that is?  This is my last post becuase what I just did there made me sick to do.  I't s not arguing in good faith.  If it is, you'll just "aw shucks" your way on to the next circular and irrational thing.  Goodbye.[/quote]

Agree, OP does not argue in good faith.  Your post is quite perceptive, though.  You've identified one of the things I find quite grating about OP:  that is, she starts from the premise that all "meaning" flows from God.  If God doesn't exist, it's time to pull the plug.  No meaning for anything, ever again!

This is, as you point out, ridiculous.  We have social norms.  One of those is a certain level of respect for one's interlocutor.  That means you don't spit on them when you disagree.  You also make an honest effort to answer your opponent's questions, and put forth an honest response of your own.  I've found this kind of slippery intellectual dishonesty to be a kind of fundamental attribute of Christian apologetics.  Maybe it's because "faith" requires a not insignificant amount of lying to oneself; maybe it's because of the longstanding practice of bible "interpretation", which is essentially picking an choosing whichever particular passage supports your personal position; and maybe it's the conceit shared by many religious folks that it's okay to treat non-believers in such shabby fashion because they're nothing but "materialists" anyway.

It's not very commendable either way.[/quote]

Oh, dear!  I don't know how to be more respectful of PPs' opinions.  I am grateful for them.  And while it is very clear most PPs think I am stupid, ignorant, and perhaps mentally off-balance, that is their right to think such things.  The conversation is still worthwhile.

I am not trying to be mean when I observe that materialism comes with certain consequences.  These consequences were hashed out several pages ago.

Yes, you can [i]assign [/i]meaning to human actions.  But there is no [i]inherent[/i] meaning in anything in a materialist universe, because matter and energy just [i]are[/i].

This conversation, as valuable as it is, is tricky, because many comments are exchanged between different PPs than is assumed, and specific religious beliefs are brought in, when we are really just talking about God.  I will say again, I am not an expert in any of these areas, and I am not hoping to convince anyone of anything.  But I am trying to understand your beliefs.[/quote]

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