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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Russia now claims to have taken Ugledar with 800+ UA soldiers surrendering.

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Only Russians call it Ugledar.

But Ukrainians really need to get better with knowing when to retreat. Losing Vuhledar is bad, but losing soldiers is worse. Those guys had been defending Vuhledar for two years. They should have been allowed to retreat when it became clear Vuhledar was going to be surrounded. This is the third time Ukrainian generals have made the same stupid mistake. They did the same with Bakhmut and Avdiivka. Ukraine can't afford to lose soldiers like this. It's dumb Soviet-era obstinacy that still infects the upper ranks of the UA. And Ukraine can't afford it.   [/quote]

Syrsky is not Ukrainian general, he is a Russian puppet who killed Ukrainian soldiers. Vuhledar is just an evidence of his either incompetence or conspiracy with Russia. [/quote]

While I enjoy the circular firing squad, the truth is this is what happens when you marinate in a culture of lies and deceit for too long. From the lowest Territorial Defense conscript all the way up to the big guy, Ukrainians have to present a picture so rosy, that it has no relationship with the truth. Important information doesn't, can't, be conveyed upwards. So why retreat from Bakhmut when you're slaughtering Russian meat waves 10-1?

And most importantly, you can't surrender a "fortress city" when the big guy is presenting his victory plan to his buddies in Europe and America. So you hold on as the situation gets more and more dire to avoid embarrassing anyone important. Rinse and repeat until Ukrainian leadership is huddled in a bunker waiting for Steiner's counterattack. [/quote]

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