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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think the picking up of Mahmoud Khalil should concern anyone concerned with freedom of speech. You may disagree with what he stands for and that's fine.

But what happens if some left-wing nut is elected president? They might think sympathizing with "genocide" in Israel is grounds for deportation.

Or there's a war? Civil liberties tend to go by the wayside during a war (suspension of habeas corpus by Lincoln, red scare after Wordl War 1, internment of Japanese CITIZENS during World War 2). If the administration is pulling these kinds of stunts over a few student protests, what happens when there is a real security threat? Don't be so sure the administration wouldn't apply similar tactics to citizens.

We had somewhat similar debates after 9/11 when Bush wanted the authority to designate someone an "enemy combatant" and to be able to wihisk them away to a black hole on Guantonomo. At least has the excuse of the WTC and Pentagon having been attacked and being fearful of a "suitcase nuclear weapon."

We don't need the first amendment to protect someone singing praises for homemade apple pie or who wants to say "hi Mom" when they're on tv.

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Nobody can credibly believe the left-wing has any desire to protect free speech after watching the past five years. That’s the issue here. This is too little too late. [/quote]

What happened in the last 5 years to indicate the left is not concerned with the first amendment? "Cancel culture" (e.g., boycotting someone's bool because you don't like what they say) is not a first amendment issue. Even a private university canceling a lecture (I typically don't agree with such cancellations) is not a first amendment issue.

It is the use of government power that is concerning. Even if the left is inconsistent on the first amendment, the solution is to check the left's actions, not adopt Gestapo like tactics in revenge. 
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Biden’s strongarming of social media companies is a classic case in point. Also, abuse of whistleblowers, eg use of state power against p[b]eople like Dr. Haim[/b].

You cannot be entirely blind to leftist use of state power to suppress speech over the past five years. Come on. [/quote]

Those patients were not under his care!

You open up a very slippery slope with your defense of that doctor.
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I see you aren’t addressing the use of state power to censor social media under Biden, because of course you aren’t; that was a grotesque abuse of state power.

[b]As for Dr. Haim, he was protected by both whistleblower laws and free speech;[/b] the DOJ attacks were nothing but state-sponsored harassment.

In both instances—and there are several more —the original point stands, which is that the left is no defender of free speech rights and in fact has leaned hard into use of state power to suppress speech that should be protected on first amendment grounds. That makes their actions here highly suspect. You can’t spend five years being opposed to free speech but then suddenly change your mind. Either you believe in the first amendment or you don’t, but this recent discovery of the first amendment by progressives in particular is extremely suspect. [/quote]

Even though these children's PARENTS were the ones making the decisions

So the right isn't for parents' rights anymore 
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You don’t understand whistleblower or first amendment protections. Parents rights is a separate issue from speech protections.

In any event, it’s clear you have no real refutation of the fact that the left has been operating against the first amendment for years, so their new-found embrace of free speech is not believed as credible by most. [/quote]

That’s because stupid people were convinced that Twitter owes them 1A protection.

Also, if the final say over removal of a comment remains with a company, it’s not infringement. [/quote]

When companies suppress speech under threat from the government, either explicit or implicit, that is absolutely a first amendment issue.

Look, stop advertising your ignorance of first amendment jurisprudence. It’s embarrassing. Twitter owes nobody free speech. Our government owes its citizens free speech. You seem to not understand the difference. [/quote]

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