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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP and I've read every post.

Two things related to PPs

1) Women tend to be more naturally well-equipped than men to handle things like ultramarathons and so on. It's fairly likely that a woman would last longer in harsh conditions than a man 15 years her senior.

2) For those asking what mother, even if poisoned, would abandon her baby... Besides the obvious, that you might not be thinking the most clearly! If the father poisoned them all approximately simultaneously (gave them poisoned water in quick succession) then the baby could have died first while the mother realized what was happening-- that is, she may have realized (or been told) there was no hope for the baby and just tried to save herself.[/quote]
I think the family annihilation theory is quite far fetched at this point, but your (2) obviously works just fine if you substitute heatstroke for poison.

Re your (1), I do think it was the dad, perhaps plus either/both baby or dog, who was incapacitated first. I think they made the decision she should try to go for help or to get more water/snacks or first aid from the car while he rested with the other two.  Re her fitness level, it was clearly high, but we don’t know if she wore herself out carrying the baby or dog part of the way or if she was possibly still breast-feeding the baby, which could have left her dehydrated.  [/quote]

If it’s heat and mom went ahead she is taking baby so she can put baby in car AC. Cooling down is the only thing that will help you if it’s heat related. [/quote]

+1 any mom with even a semblance of reason still about her takes the baby if she is trying to flee. I have thought the saddest possible scenario is that the baby passed out from heat stroke and couldn't be resuscitated and the parents just gave up and let the heat take them. But honestly, people survive walking days in the desert, it would still be surprising that BOTH died. And the dog. [/quote]

That's a neat theory that heatstroke isn't a big deal. We have had a couple of deaths in Death Valley from heatstroke lately. Based on your theory, at least one of them should have survived.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/second-hiker-dies-within-days-from-heat-in-death-valley/[/quote]

Here is one with data, where they aren't entirely sure it's heatstroke. They just have data of him wandering around in circles from his GPS watch. They think that might have been delirium. Or he was being chased by a boulder. He ran marathons. Five hours.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/pleasanton-runner-philip-kreycik-likely-died-from-heatstroke-in-106-degree-weather-investigators-say/[/quote]

Because he wasn't found for almost a month, they weren't able to immediately determine that he died from the heat.  Ordinarily it's not difficult.

Which proves that this family died from a different cause.[/quote]

Jesus wept. No it does not prove the family died from something else. Philip's case is very similar to this he just had a less strenuous course. But of course, aliens and flying boulders.[/quote]

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