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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Come on.  Come ON.  This guy up there acting like he’s discovered water is wet.  Is this a joke?  People facing consequences for their words and deeds is not something new ffs. Unless you’re a white dude I guess.[/quote]
Half of you are amd at me because I pointed out a subjective social change that I don't like and the other half are mad because they don't think anything has changed.

Meanwhile, my prior answer to you was deleted for using a normal english word that happens to sound like a racial slur.  That's a part of this change in itself, but now I can't even talk about it.

I guess you don't see it.  That's ok.  You don't have to.

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OP, what I think no one ever wants to admit is that there will be “innocent” victims of societal standards.

There will be, just as there have always been consequences for people of color for falling out of line.  And that’s something that happens when we make progress.

Do you think that the fact that Neera Tanden is a brown woman has nothing to do with the fact that she couldn’t get a position in the administration over MEAN TWEETS?  Like mean tweets ever stopped the nomination of a white man.

People of color and women are always punished for the most minor of indiscretions, and now that white people are getting a taste, it’s cancel culture.

Maybe the larger problem is that our society is so punitive in general.  Everything is your own fault, everything is your responsibility.  No one’s apology is accepted, no one is reformed, once you have a prison record you’re a pariah.  Unless you are rich and white.[/quote]
Yes, that's true.  And pretty much what I'm saying, although from a somewhat different perspective.  We do need a more forgiving society.  And to the extent that the powerful are now more aware that we need to be more forgiving, that's a good thing.  On the other hand, our social structures are not well designing for forgiveness and we don't know yet how to make it better.  So as this process goes forward, I ask those who are not able to forgive their enemies, to consider forgiveness in their hearts, even if you do think they deserved their punishment.  You can do both, and if you do we will be that much closer to a more forgiving society for all.

Once again, you don't have to agree with me.  But I think you can agree that there is nothing wrong with thinking this way other than you don't like it.  [/quote]

I think you missed my point a little bit, OP.

Were you so "scared" and "worried" when Colin Kaepernick lost his job over a silent protest?  People of color are "canceled" all the time without a rousing defense from "worried" white people.[/quote]
Yes, I was.  
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Really?

Then why post about Dr. Seuss and not Neera Tanden?

I’m sorry, op, I’m just sort of skeptical of your whole premise here.[/quote]
I'm not the OP.  
Sorry you are skeptical.  If your standard for skepticism is "why didn't this anonymous poster say something on a different topic" you are probably much too "skeptical" to listen to anybody you don't like.  No matter what I say, when, where, or how,  there will always be much more I didn't say and you can always shoot me down for that.  And I can shoot you down exactly the same way.   Which is not really skepticism at all, but cynicism.  [/quote]

I’m sorry, pp, you just seem like a concern troll.  With all of the things going wrong in this country, this should be so low on the list.[/quote]
Ok Thanks.  I understand.  We are all cynics now.  That's actually one of the themes raised by a topic like this.  I commented on this thread because I have personal interest in old books and the real reason this got so much attention on both left and right is that it is being seen as a minibattle in the culture wars. That makes it worthy to talk about.

I said these things repeatedly and almost everyone questioned my motives or called me names, and almost none of them considered that I might actually believe what I was saying.  Of the ones that did think I believed it, none of them thought there was any value in talking about it, so they too did not comsider that someone might assign a different value to the topic than they do.

Anyway thanks for listening.  Cynical ages are painful and divisice, but they never last.  We will know better times are coming when we are able to hear each other once again.
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