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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes it is troublesome that justice is not perfect.  But it doesn't seem so satisfying even for theists.  [b]We all stuggle with injustice in this world, whatever happens in the afterlife[/b].[quote]

But in one scenario, fighting for justice is hopeless and ultimately meaningless, and in the other, fighting for justice is hopeful and ultimately meaningful.

[/quote]No, [b]most atheists do not live a life that is nasty, brutish, or short.[/b]  Is it impossible to imagine that atheists can be good, appreciative and optimistic about life?[quote]

You misunderstood my meaning:  HUMANS live lives that are nasty, brutish, and short under materialism as truth, whether they are atheist or theist.  The human experience is overwhelmingly awful for most humans, ever since there were humans.

[/quote]And while we may be mammals, we have the same free will you do, even more perhaps because we do not have the threat of damnation.  So when we choose, we [b]really get to choose[/b].[/quote]

But mammals do not have free will the way humans do.  Though actually, under materialism, free will does not actually exist, or if it does, it is pointless.  A figment of our imagination.

And your understanding of freedom is telling.  The freedom of no consequences--at least, no consequences that extend beyond this material universe.  The freedom to define right and wrong.  The freedom to make your own rules, because there are no objective ones.

The price of that freedom is that every other human being gets to exercise his or her freedom, too.  And you may express your dismay at their choices, but your only recourse is emotional appeal or application of force.  But the actions themselves have no inherent meaning, only the meaning you assign.

I thought the price of my personal freedom was worth it.  For a time.  But then, if it is what it is, it does not matter how I feel about it.  [/quote]

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