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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anonymous wrote:
So is materialism just pure intellectual honesty for PPs? This is the hand we were dealt, we are just material and nothing more, death is the end, I am satisfied because I have to be?

What other choice is there?  How can you believe in something that does not appear to be real to you?  Would you be better off if you imagined that you were rich or famous, if those things weren't true?[/quote]

I am assuming (right now) there is no other choice.  I'm granting your perspective is the true one.  There is no life beyond the material life.  Belief in an immaterial life is a wish without hope of fulfillment, a self-delusion.

Then nothing is ever fair or not fair.  It just is.  The genetic roll of the dice that is you is what it is.  If you happen to enter time and space as an African in the 1600s who is kidnapped as a child and put on a slave ship and who watches his parents and siblings die slow agonizing deaths before dying himself and being tossed into the Atlantic, that is not a matter of fairness or unfairness.  It just is.

Most of humanity has found reality to be physical and metaphysical.  Materialists are a small slice of humanity who insists reality is only physical.  Materialism does not account for a great deal of the human experience, except to say it is fantasy.  Rationalists know better.  They do not live under metaphysical illusions.

What is it like to live that way?  Either materialism is true, or it is false.  Do you ever doubt your position is true?

"The materialist philosophy…is certainly more limiting than any religion. In one sense, of course, all intelligent ideas are narrow. They cannot be broader than themselves. A Christian is only restricted in the same sense that an atheist is restricted. He cannot think Christianity false and continue to be a Christian; and the atheist cannot think atheism false and continue to be an atheist. But as it happens, there is a very special sense in which materialism has more restriction than spiritualism...Materialists and madmen never have doubts."  --Chesterton[/quote]

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