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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People want to find a way that the victim could have prevented the situation in order to reassure themselves it could never happen to them.  Wishful thinking but it doesn't guarantee anyone's safety.[/quote]

That's not entirely fair. I posted earlier saying there but for the grace of God. I have no assurance that this could not have happened to me; I behaved just like Emily Doe in my college years and even a few times in graduate school. At the time I was just embarrassed to have made a fool of myself; I was too clueless to realize how incredibly risky that behavior was. And so I damn sure want to teach my kids as best not to ever do anything like that - that binge drinking is not some harmless adolescent rite of passage.

Drilling basic self-protection measures into our kids isn't a fantasy. It will not keep them from all harm or prevent any possibility of rape or some other horrible crime. But it may decrease their odds of facing such a terrible situation as Emily Doe, or something even worse. [/quote]

I think what has so many PP's dander up is the rather noxious focus on what Emily Doe could have differently. Seriously. Over and over and over: binge drinking is bad! Drinking is bad! And my favorite, completely irrelevant one: [b]hookup culture is bad[/b]! So much focus on what the victim did or did not do, and so very little on the fact that this man, and many like him, feel entitled to a woman's body whether or not she wants to give it or can consent. There's very little focus on that. For some reason.[/quote]

How is that irrelevant? If the hook up culture has guys having sex with a bunch of wasted girls that black out and can't remember a thing and tell him what a great time they had and they come back for more... how is that not relevant to the problem on college campuses. [b]How is a guy to know when a girl is going to say, they didn't consent, [/b]when the same situation happened 20 times before and it was consent? [/quote]

I'm pretty an unconscious woman is not able to consent to being fucked behind a dumpster.[/quote]

[b]She is able to consent she was just unable to take it back once she passed out[/b].[/quote]

That's not what happened, but if we assume your facts for the sake of argument, you're missing a key point: when your partner passes out, you have to stop fucking her.   Play time is over.  [/quote]

Legally, you stop when you are aware they can no longer consent or when you are canard they have passed out... 1am, dark, wasted... Was she unconsciense for 1 second, 1 minute, 20 minutes.... .? Does anybody know?[/quote]

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