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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here’s the thing: even if Neely had punched someone in the face, Penny would still be facing charges and likely get convicted.

Why? Because Penny’s use of force was disproportionate. Neely was subdued on the ground by 3 adult men and Penny continued to choke him until the life liquidated out of Neely’s orifices.

Those are the gruel facts. A claim of self-defense or defense of others has to be proportionate to immediacy and severity of the threat at hand. Once again, you can’t kill someone because of “bad vibes.” It doesn’t work like that.[/quote]

And innocent people who are pushed in front of trains by mentally ill and/or repeat criminals? To what degree and to what level of comparison do you think their deaths are proportionate?[/quote]

What do those unrelated cases have to do with the facts and circumstances of this exact case?

You can’t kill someone because of bad vibes and “what if…”. The justice system doesn’t work like that, thank god. [/quote]

Neely attempted to push someone a week earlier.  Some other homeless person did fatally push someone in front of a train.  Bad vibes = real danger in the NY subway, to a reasonable person.  Maybe you aren't reasonable, but others are. [/quote]

This has happened multiple times. In Oregon a homeless woman pushed a toddler face down onto the train tracks. I stopped riding the metro years ago primarily due to safety concerns. People have a right to go about their daily lives without being harassed and sometimes assaulted. We need to bring back institutions for people like Neely who need serious medical intervention. [/quote]

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