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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO READ ABOUT THIS CASE!
Daniel Penny is a FLIPPING AMERICAN HERO! He stepped up to stop this monster before he could kill anyone on the train and now he is being attacked. What if he sat there and let this freak show kill someone?? He was out of his mind! Insane! Hell no. And I quote this from a news article:

“Neely was homeless, schizophrenic and had a record of 40 arrests that included punching a 67-year-old woman in the face.

On May 1, he was screaming that he wanted to 'kill a motherf****r' to get a ticket to jail where he'd receive meals.

Daniel Penny, a 24-year-old Marine veteran, stepped in and put him in a chokehold. Neely died at the scene.”[/quote]

So people who are mentally ill should be killed? Keep in mind that Penny didn't know Neely's mental health history. We don't condone vigilantes in the US. [/quote]

Well if the government refuses to put them in humane institutions which they cannot leave what are people to do?[/quote]

This gets to the crux of the problem.

Supreme Court decisions in the 70s and 80s make it extremely difficult for jurisdictions to involuntarily commit mental ill individuals for anything other than short stretches of time. Individual liberty is paramount. This is a major hurdle to getting people like Neely off the street. This is why prisons act as the de facto asylum - the state needs to wait for them to commit a crime to move them permanently off the street.

Secondly, is cost. It’s exorbitant and Americans are growing more and more anti-tax. You want to move to a place with no income taxes? You’ll find mental health services and facilities to basically be nil. No one wants to pay for it, particularly among the Taxes Are Theft crowd. [/quote]

This! All the people on this thread b****ing  about the mentally ill running amok in blue cities will be the first to complain about an increase in taxes to support the comprehensive and very expensive programs that would be required to take the violent or violent-appearing mentally ill off the streets. Ditto other “undesirables” like the homeless and drug addicts. [/quote]

I thought people living in blue cities were happy to pay needed taxes.[/quote]

Here’s another crux of the issue: NYC has some of the best and most comprehensive homeless services in the country. The issue? There’s just so many homeless in NYC - it’s big, expensive, and mentally ill people/addicts from across the country are drawn to NYC.

If you think the homeless issue is bad in NYC, it’s a lot worse elsewhere where the government doesn’t have the same level of resources as nyc to handle it.

Another issue with NYC is that the lack of cars means you have to encounter this issue a lot more frequently in person. [/quote]

As several PPs have noted, issues involving those with serious mental illness are never going to have a perfect solution. Even with all the resources in the world, short of forced confinement, seriously ill people are going to improve and regress. It's a process, not an easy fix. A  person in Neely's state before his death is incredibly difficult to treat and also a danger to himself and others. I wish more people remembering his younger days as a street performer would focus more on why he was there and what help could have been given to him to address his trauma at that time. We don't know what help he got, but clearly, he needed intensive services to help process his mother's murder. Remember, he also dropped out of school at a young age. People with severe trauma and no education are most likely to turn to drugs and other behaviors that send them on tragic path. Catching them and bringing them into a safety net as early as possible should be a priority.[/quote]

+1 Amen. Well said, and all so true.[/quote]

PP here, adding a few more facts. If reports are accurate, Jordan Neely was 14 when his mother was murdered by his stepfather. His biological father, according to his aunt, wasn't involved in his life. He was a 14-year-old child whose most important caregiver was a victim of domestic violence at the hands of another caregiver. His aunt claims that she tried to get help for him back then. but couldn't convince judges and doctors to give him the help he needed. [b]Instead of fighting about a tragic mistake, we should all be more concerned about how to ensure that minors like Neely, who are alone in the world, receive the assistance and treatment they need.[/b][/quote]

PP here. I've worked with kids with mental health issues and special needs from grades K-5 my entire work life. I agree with you. I also don't think Penny should be made a scapegoat.[/quote]

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