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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]people need to close their legs and control their penises.  [/quote]

Yes.  What if these laws actually lead to increased birth control use, fewer unwanted pregnancies, increased condom use with fewer STDs, fewer teen pregnancies?  Will there be any recognition that having abortions right up until the time of birth might be a bad thing?  That curtailing it some might have some positive benefits?  I doubt it.  [/quote]

If making abortions illegal prevented the need for abortions, they never would’ve become legal. In Colorado, there was free long term birth control provided by the state. Unwanted pregnancy rates dropped and abortion rates dropped significantly. Republicans took away the free birth control because it prevented abortions without slut shaming.

We know how to reduce abortion rates but that’s not the goal, is it? The goal is to control women. [/quote]

I am all for providing the birth control, especially condoms since it also helps prevent the spread of STDs.  Please explain the control women statement.  I mean, controlling women how? To what end? I guess looking around today, I don't see women being particularly held back or controlled by outside influences.  [/quote]

controlling women by forcing them to give birth when they don't want to.  does that really need to be said?  [/quote]

Seriously? You are quite presumptive! Not PP.

and in more detail ... if you're the same PP who posted "What if these laws lead to ... " then you're admitting that the goal of the laws is to IMPACT WOMEN'S BEHAVIOR by drastically raising the consequences of unintended pregnancy.  Your entire theory is based on controlling women.  You could argue that it controls men too (because they also have an interest in preventing unintended pregnancy) but the consequences obviously would fall much more drastically on the women.  So as a way to indirectly create the behavior you purport to want (use of birth control) you're implementing measures to control women by increasing the consequences of the behavior you want to change.  Furthermore, although your arguments are based on abortion here, it's not hard to scratch the surface of social conservative views on this issue, and find that they consider the bad behavior to be sex out of wedlock in general, and not just failure to use birth control.  So to them, the tactic of banning abortion to raise the consequences of sex is absolutely connected to reinstituting control over women as a way to achieve their other goals (a return to traditional marriage).  these people absolutely attribute the "breakdown of traditional institutions" to Roe v Wade.  [/quote][/quote]

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