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Rather than argue the case for UCal-Berkeley by denigrating existing Big Ten Conference member schools and by addressing a secondary issue, why not think more creatively ?

I suggested to Stanford that if Stanford can convince its good friend Notre Dame to join, then, with Notre Dame's endorsement & commitment, Stanford would almost certainly be welcomed with open arms.

I also suggested that the Big Ten Conference offer Notre Dame an additional home gain to entice ND to join the Big Ten Conference as well as a commitment by the Big Ten Conference to offer membership to one of its traditional rivals (Stanford University).

The Big Ten Conference has to respect Notre Dame and Notre Dame's vision for its football & athletic program.

Why do UCal-Berkeley supporters think that they can generate an offer by denigrating other universities ? It won't work.

Everyone regards UCal-Berkely & Stanford University as world class academic & academic research institutions and more. That just is not the issue.[/quote]

I'm a Stanford and Maryland supporter based on school and spousal faculty employment but the B1G homers here are borderline crazy talking about how Berkeley or Cal or whatever you want to call the school would fit into the B1G academically. UCLA and Washington are great new additions, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Northwestern are also strong, but most schools in the conference are not on Cal's level as overall universities.

The situation for Stanford and UC Berkeley is unfortunate but I remember going to multiple Rose Bowls over the last 10 years that were not even close to half Stanford fans. It was awesome seeing Stanford kill Iowa live (and the insane Farmers Only halftime show by the band after Stanford was up 30+) but Iowa traveled SO much better (probably 70% of the stadium). Stanford couldn't sell out a small Stanford Stadium with a top 10 team and Andrew Luck or Christian McCaffrey. Stanford has great sports that students and most alumni just barely care about. That doesn't cut it in the current environment since Stanford isn't big enough to meaningfully deliver the Bay Area market and doesn't have the eyeballs to justify major streaming $$.[/quote]

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