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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]If I fought the cops, I’d expect to be manhandled and face to the ground. There were even two blacks across the street watching, talking amongst themselves about him being stupid by not getting in the car and fighting. Does that mean he should be dead, no. But he may be alive today and he just complied.

Just curious, would you fight the cops?

This is the height of victim blaming. Nothing excuses what Chauvin did for over 9 minutes. Nothing.[/quote]

use of force has to be objectively reasonably [b]throughout[/b] the restraint. Was it reasonable when he was clearly succumbing? Or when he continued to be held in prone restraint after he likely was no longer breathing and had no pulse?

Because of work, all I've been able to watch are snippets and haven't seen the last few days (is there a link which has a compilation of witness testimony?). I noticed the debate upthread about signs like petechiae  missing, don't know how that testimony went, but its absence does not have to mean death was not due to positional asphyxia. Just like being able to utter words does not mean breathing is not impaired. [/quote]

No - this is a key point - the question of reasonableness is no longer relevant to the charges after he was dead, which was far earlier than the end of nine minutes. The charges are for CAUSE of death. What happened after he stopped breathing is not relevant, even though disgusting. [/quote]

Has it been determined at what point he stopped breathing? Not that I have heard. And you can stop breathing without being dead yet. And even if you are (and if Chauvin should have known that was the case) that means that at some time prior to that he was in acute distress, unable to resist officers, and required immediate rescue attempts. Which then becomes the "depraved heart" in my book. [/quote]

Yes, one of the prosecution’s witnesses testified re the exact second he took his last breath. It was only a couple minutes into being on the ground. [/quote]

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