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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Most people in Ukraine want the fighting to stop, whatever the terms.  They ran out of willing men to fight, corruption is rampant and if this continues, there will not be a functioning country left.  Make peace now, freeze the border and get on with life.

The sad thing is that the same deal was available in Istanbul more than a year ago, and they would have kept so much more territory. [/quote]
NATO wants endless wars. That’s all that matters.[/quote]

Putin could end this tomorrow by withdrawing and returning stolen Ukrainian lands, assets and kidnapped children.  You're deranged if you think NATO wouldn't accept that and instead want to continue the war.[/quote]

Are you delusional? Putin will not end this war tomorrow, he is not going to withdraw after he gained so much advantage. We need to start with that point to negotiate. Sitting and saying Putin should withdraw is just promoting more Ukrainian deaths. He is not withdrawing. Ukraine does not have means, leadership or strategy to win this war. Democrats want to tank Ukraine from the moment Clinton forced them to give up their nuclear weapons to the moment when Obama gave Putin a green light to invade in 2014. And now, with Biden in power, Putin is unstoppable. [/quote]

Whatever. Russian losses have been catastrophic. There is no win for them anywhere. They are certainly no threat to NATO in their depleted state. They've lost most of their armor, most of their artillery, much of their air force, a good deal of their Black Sea fleet, and more than 500,000 soldiers. Meanwhile, NATO became stronger with the addition of Sweden and Finland and a massive increase in investment in their arms industries.

Why Russia decided to launch such a breathtakingly stupid invasion remains mystifying.

They tried to take all of Ukraine and got wrecked by Ukrainian resistance and ferocious counterattacks. Since then the lines have been largely static. They've lost tens of thousands of soldiers taking small towns like Bakhmut and Avdiivka. And then didn't move further. Their recent northern offensive near Kharkiv has turned into a slaughter for Russians in Vovchansk. And with Ukraine resupplied with ATACMS and other long distance weapons, Crimea is very vulnerable to a siege the moment Ukrainians choose to take out the Kerch Straight Bridge.

Where is the win? Was losing tens of thousands of soldiers taking the Azovstal plant in Mariupol worth it? Russia is looking at several more years of brutal trench warfare just to take a few more miles in Donbas. And that's it. There is no chance Russia can take all of Ukraine and subjugate it. Meanwhile, they're condemned to decades of global isolation and a rapidly declining economy and standard of living. Not to mention the population doom loop they are now condemned to having lost a generation of men.

It's been terrible for Ukraine. But goodness, Putin's idiocy has certainly been a gift to the western world.   [/quote]

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