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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also, cabinet members are not elected by the voters. All the PP arguing that Muslims are doing well in Europe can say is that Sarkozy appointed three individuals of foreign origin -- common in the US .  Knowing  Sarkozy, it was probably tokenism.[/quote]

talking about splitting hairs. Sarkozy appointed three Muslim cabinet members almost ten years ago. as of today, no Muslim cabinet member in the US, not even as a token.[/quote]

The original question was about the people electing someone, not a cabinet nomination.  Since Muslims are a tiny group in the US, while they are the main immigrant group in France, The appropriate comparison about openness in the US political system would be to consider a similarly larger minority or immigrant group -- for example, Latinos, of which there are a number of *elected * governors and numerous elected officials at the , cabinet members, and a Supreme Court Justice.  It would be absurd to say that, since Sarkozy didn't nominate a Latino, then the situation of Latinos is worse in France than in the US. One needs to compare what's comparable.

By the way, a quick Google search shows numerous Muslims elected by the popular vote (not just nominated out of tokenism) at the federal and state level.

So, given the rising level of Xenophobia and Islamophobia, why don't you answer the question: do you think the French are ready to take the seemingly trivial step of electing someone with a Muslim name as president?  Yes or no. It's a simple question.[/quote]

I do think French people would elect a Christian President who has a middle name like Hussein. and frankly I would not find it such a big indication of open mindness or tolerance. the real test is if they would elect a practicing Muslim.   the fact that you believe that electing a president in the US who is Christian but has a Muslim sounding name (and it would be more correct to say that it sound Arabic) is such a big deal is puzzling.

also, I don't agree with you when you say that a better comparison in the US would be the number of Latinos, not of Muslim.  Latinos are still Christians, especially for conservative voters they are more likely to be considered as people who share common religious and social values. the US has had for decades Catholics in the highest elected positions.    this is confirmed by this Gallup poll in 2012, where Muslims in the US  fare better only of atheists,. while only 7% would not vote for an Hispanic, a whopping 40% would not vote for a Muslim.  http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/atheists-muslims-bias-presidential-candidates.aspx [/quote]

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