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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I was talking to inside the beltway types of folks who are very tuned into international affairs. They tried to give me the most unbiased take they could on what's going on and how they think the current admin views the world.

First, global order has already been upended for years. China already expanded by building artifical islands in the SCS along with their 9 dash line claims.  China has a strategy of trying to control all shipping and trade from China, to Europe, to Africa - see the strand of pearls theory.   Russia has also upended global order years ago due to obvious reasons.  So who is left playing by rules? The west, including the US.  What did the world do as China illegally expanded in the SCS with their artificial islands? Nothing. What did the rest of the world do about Ukraine except the US? Pretty much nothing.  If Russia and China get to ignore all the rules, then so should the US.

With respect to Greenland/Europe, they pretty much summarized Europe down to 3 things: soccer, socialism, and site seeing.  The point they were trying to make was that Europe is basically worthless from both a military strategic and economic standpoint.  Europe was described as basically a museum.   For decades Europe has refused to fund and maintain an adequate military.  Europe has socialist tendencies that are strangling innovation and their economy.  AI is going nowhere in Europe while China and the US are accelerating integration into the economy at breakneck speeds. Europe's economy is going to be left in the dust over the next 50 years.  They also pointed out that Europe is anemic when it comes to starting companies, which is why they basically don't even have a European version of the S&P 500 - because they're incapble of starting that many companies due to overtaxing socialist policies and regulations smothering them.

To summarize, world order has already been fragmented years ago with expansionist and rising China and the Russia invasion of Ukraine.  US has to accept it and live in a multipolar world.  Europe is useless due to lack of military and because all economics are moving east.  US has to accept the multipolar world and make hard adjustments. China can do whatever they want in their sphere and Russia as well, as long as they both stay the F outta our backyard (i.e., the Americas).  That's why you see so much attention about securing Greenland.

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It's frightening to see such misinformation from supposed Beltway experts.  First, what the hell does Greenland have to do with China's ambitions in the South China Sea?  Nobody has provided any evidence that China wants to invade/control territory outside of its immediate geographic neighborhood, especially Greenland.  Yes, it has global economic interests and attempts to sway the developing world, just like very other major power.  As the Chinese stated this morning, using China as an excuse to invade Greenland is simply covering up Trump's personal amibitions with a fig leaf.

As far as Europe's status, they have the third largest GDP in the world, accounting for 1/6 of the global economy.  Quite a statement to say they are "worthless", especially when you look at the dollar compared to the Euro since Trump took office.

If this is the caliber of Stephen Miller's foreign affairs team, we really are screwed.[/quote]

Also, it isn’t just about where Europe's economy is today, but where it'll be in the future.  The argument was that they are stifling rollout of AI, which is going to kneecap them in the decades coming. Economies are shifting east while Europe increasingly relies on massive govt bureaucracies for employment.  It is expected that Europe is just going to continue getting poorer over ensuing decades, so they're increasingly not worth our time. [/quote]
Europe has been “socialist” (ooh- scary!) for sixty years and retains its position as a top economy.  The developing world will always have stronger growth because they have further to catch up.  It’s the US that is kneecapping its future economic growth, not the EU.

Even if you are right, how is US policy under Trump doing anything to secure new trade partners in Asia?  All we’ve done is to launch trade wars across the region, making the US the least desirable partner for the rapidly growing economies.[/quote]

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