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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't really have an opinion yet about the case but what I do know from everything I have read and seen is that I really don't like either Blake or Justin as people. Both are obnoxious. [/quote]

+1, I am surprised by the posts on here defending Justin like he's some wronged innocent. He sounds like an opportunist who found a nice niche for himself ("I'm a *sensitive* guy who really gets it") and capitalized on it, but it all comes off as very disingenuous to me. Also his book, podcast, and this movie sound like garbage so I can't help but roll my eyes about the comments talking earnestly about how he just want to address toxic masculinity or tell stories of abuse. GMAFB.

But I've also never liked Lively and am totally unsurprised that she's a diva on set and impossible to work with, or that she goes running to her husband to fix things for her when she doesn't get her way. I have also encountered dysfunctional couples like this twice in real life, both in semi-professional contexts where the women would pout and play the victim and then their husbands would come down hard on people but justify it as "protecting" their wives. It's equally annoying as Justin's schtick, and probably ultimately more consequential.

Ugh. I have zero interest in ever paying money to see anything any of these people ever make again. There are lots of talented artists out there who aren't like this.[/quote]

I don't care for his male feminist schtick and his Man Enough book sounds boring. But I do believe he was railroaded by two powerful people and that he has very credible rebuttals for all of Blake's sexual harassment claims. I think you're conflating the comments here with a Justin Baldoni subreddit or something, because I haven't seen anything here really indicating we're legitimate fans of his. It's really more anti-Lively here than pro-Justin.[/quote]

I'm the PP and I've only read about that s conflict here. There have definitely been posts on here that are very "pro-Justin" and painting him as some wonderful person. I don't even get the posts painting him as a victim, tbh. I don't think Lively is a victim either. I think they are both narcissistic, grating people who made a crappy movie together and got embroiled in a pissing match. I think Lively comes off worse because of Reynolds and because she had more leverage. But I don't view either as a victim.[/quote]

How like refreshingly balanced sister friend!!!!

She had a lead story published in the NYT accusing him of sexual harassment, hostile work environment, and retaliation based on all lies. He totally deserved it tho right? He’s like not ironic and cool so he should get buried!!!! Yay!!

Again, for those with a spare brain cell - Bad Art Friend II. Incredibly depressing that one idiot Kool Kid can attract people like this poster - zero analytical ability. Zero discernment. He had his life blown up because he was too flexible with a world-class ass-ache. That’s his crime. [/quote]

PP again and similarly they were both bad actors in Bad Art Friend. Yes the author who had all the friends and was considered the better writer by the "writing community" was worse because she was a bully, but the other woman was also genuinely grating, absolutely milked her kidney donation for sympathy and likes online, and then made the situation worse by not knowing when to let it go and move on.

I don't care if anyone is "ironic and cool." Sometimes professional conflicts happen and you have to learn how to navigate them with your own dignity intact. I've been in situations like this before and I have always been much more the Baldoni or the Dawn because I've never been in a powerful position and I've encountered plenty of industry "mean girls." But I've also learned you can shoot yourself in the foot by lacking self awareness or dragging out conflicts, and also that there are certain behaviors that can make you the target of people like this, and you need to take responsibility for them. I think Baldoni set himself up for this by hanging his career reputation on the idea of himself being a "male feminist" which (1) is a deeply annoying, performative, manipulative posture to begin with, and (2) made it harder for him every step of the way because he was working so hard to be the "nice guy" that he failed to set useful boundaries with Lively and behaved IMO very unprofessionally throughout the shoot of the movie.

That doesn't mean I think he's a sexual harasser. But do I think he's an innocent nobody who was taken advantage of here? Not really. He was running a grift with his "man enough" schtick.

In a weird way I feel like everyone involved in this mess kind of deserves each other. Sorry.[/quote]

How was he “grifting”? Words mean things, and they never actually objectively mean what you write. Ever.

For Bad Art Friend - you’re welcome to your feelings but not to lies. Dorland was encouraged to write about her donation, so every bit of your editorializing is wrong.

Larson lost her bid to get Dorland to pay her attorneys fees. Poor thing! It must suck to have to try and scrape together minimum payments on credit after having your lack of integrity become a viral story. If they haven’t already, I think the Lievely’s are going to regret pursuing this course of action, however long the money is at the moment.[/quote]

A grift is a "small scale swindle." In this case, it was Baldoni selling books and his podcast and himself by billing himself as a "male feminist," knowing that's a very marketable identity in the #metoo era and wanting to capitalize on it. You may disagree but others don't -- plenty of people think Baldoni's "man enough" schtick is an obnoxious marketing ploy and completely fake. Please stop saying "words have meanings" and then refusing to even try to understand what anyone is saying. Not everyone agrees with everything you think.

I am not going to re-litigate Bad Art Friend here, omg.[/quote]

Boy, you are in desperate need of a dictionary. Let’s see how you handle “swindle.” Is having a podcast with a specific POV a “swindle”? You are purporting to know what he thinks and feels, that there is a gap between that and what he is putting on a podcast, to use language like “swindle.” And yet “liar” confuses you with Lively! It’s fascinating![/quote]

Dude, if you don't know enough to be skeptical of a guy who has his own tagline (are you "man enough" to be sensitive? are you "man enough" to listen to the women in your life? are you "man enough" to spend $15.99 USD on my book Man Enough: Undefining Masculinity at Amazon.com?) I don't know what to tell you. I know what all the words I use mean, thanks. Justin Baldoni is a grifter and a swindler and I do not find his schtick sincere.[/quote]

Yeah, you definitely and consistently don’t know what to tell me. I think you think you’re making sense. Swing and a miss yet again. [/quote]

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