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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So Murkowski and Collins are already out in favor do waiting.  We need 3 people out this way to wait.

My sad prognosis is that these two rushing up front were doing so so they don’t have to be number 3. No one will be number 3. Such a sad shame. Could the historians in the room share some perspective?  I’m just an engineer. [/quote]

There needs to be 4. With only 3 Pence would break a tie. I wouldn't hold my breath.[/quote]

What’s wrong with everyone doing their job and replacing the deceased SCOTUS justice? That’s their job. 
Chips of death fall where they fall.
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So put Merrick Garland on the court as he should be.[/quote]
Exactly.  If they wanted a truce, that's what they would do.  The fact that js not even a consideration is the problem.[/quote]

Isn’t Metrick a woman? We need a woman or PoC. [/quote]
Like I said, if they wanted a truce, they know what to do.[/quote]

Lol.  A truce?  Politics is war by other means.  McConnell isn't dumb enough to believe there's ever going to be any sort of truce.[/quote]
You know exactly what I mean, so don't pretend you don't and that McConnell isn't making deliberate choices knowing what the consequences of each path are.[/quote]

Sorry, I really don't.  "I'm telling you [opposing political side], if you exercise the political power you currently hold in a legal manner to advance the agenda of your side, just wait until we have and exercise political power!"

I'm pretty sure McConnell knows that if and when Dems get political power necessary to push their agenda, they'll marshall that power to the maximum they are able (except as they are unable to cobble together internal coalitions or fear blowback from moderate voters) and any promises of "restraint" now are illusory and should be ignored.  I'm pretty sure if Dems take the Senate they will give less than two shots about how the republican minority feels about their actions.  [/quote]
No, that's not how it works.  These are choices they are making.  These deals used to be made all the time.  Now they choose not to.  You don't have to make a deal for something in the future.  You can exchange current values.  Trump and McConnell don't make those deals either.  Their choice. He is deciding where his interests lie.  They don't lie with making deals, so he makes none.  He will keep doing that for as long as it is in his interest to do so.[/quote]

Given the last four years, I don't see how either side could trust the other with a deal at the present moment.
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Well, probably, but trust isn't the issue.  McConnell wants to swing the court to the far right, and now is his chance. If he does it, it will delegitimize the court and Democrats will try to swing it back.  This is bad for the country.  So his choice is to swing right and hope Trump wins so he can make stick.  Or he can choose a moderate who would bring stability but he loses his agenda.  Obama chose a moderate,  McConnell rejected that.  He can make a different choice this time but he won't.  He'd rather win right now. Even if Trump loses, he can try to block whatever Biden will do.[/quote]

Why would swinging the court to the right delegitimize it?  Was the court h as during the Warren erasimilarly delegitimized when it was further left than popular opinion such as during the Warren era?  If so, should stare decisis really apply to those delegitimized Warren era decisions?[/quote]

Because, currently we’re under a tyranny of the minority system under the electoral college whereby less populated states wield outsize influence on policy decisions. These lucky voters get to vote in their choice of politicians who are increasingly disconnected with mainstream American values. These politicians get to come to Washington and elect judges, who themselves are not in the mainstream and whose decisions don’t reflect mainstream American values. The court is becoming delegitimized, when its conservative judges write conservative leaning opinions, which are not apolitical (it never is with either a liberal or conservative judge). These opinions do real damage to protected classes who have had to fight for their rights. They also do real damage to the environment. Basically, the country is moving forward, and I know you don’t want to hear this, but it’s moving in a more egalitarian, and yes, liberal, direction, but judges like Alito keep pushing the country backwards.[/quote]

The Senate was set up purposefully to provide the exact sort of brakes you don't like.

A liberal president and house, moderate senate, and judges committed to make sure the left doesn't "progress" beyond long-established constitutional safeguards like freedom of speech and freedom of religion and equal protection for all under the law?  Sounds fine to me.[/quote]

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