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[quote]4. Therefore, if information is as described in information theory, it refutes the part about "That Mind is God". Sorry, I really didn't mean to do that. But there it is. Maybe the idea survives if you revise what you are thinking about regarding information. 
5. But next, I think that even with an everyday understanding of information (semantics), we see it consumed to powerful effect without the presence of a mind. DNA is transcribed by transcription RNA to encode messenger RNA to encode proteins that do useful things. None of this requires a mind to operate. A crystal builds copies of itself by simple inorganic processes. Now you may believe that this took a creator, but you can't conclude that merely from seeing that a nonthinking process consumed information. And if that is tough, it is clear that nature produces information continuously. Wind blowing across the sand encodes ripples. Waves and the tide are the encoding of the moon's gravitational pull on the earth. And so on and so on.[/quote]

This is a crucial distinction.  You are confusing patterns and code.

Patterns (snowflakes, crystals, hurricanes, tornados, rivers, coastlines) occur in nature.

A code is “A system of signals used to represent letters or numbers in transmitting messages.” Examples of code include computer languages, English, Chinese, music, the base ten numbers system, and radio signals.  Codes always involve a system of symbols that represent ideas or plans.

All codes contain patterns, but not all patterns contain codes.  Naturally occurring patterns do not contain code.

Do you see the distinction?  
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Really?  If a pattern matches a complex mathematical equation, how can it not be a code?  If the pattern is used to develop other patterns how can it not be a code?

Fractal patterns exist in nature, they meet both tests.[/quote]

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