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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/hillary-clinton-urges-joe-biden-not-to-sleep-on-third-party-spoilers[/quote]
“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP. [/quote]

Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates  and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you  slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party. [/quote]

Voting no labels is voting for trump.  Stop treating posters like fools.  [/quote]
They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies. [/quote]

Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.[/quote]
I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history? [/quote]

Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary.    The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.[/quote]

The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.[/quote]

Vote for trump or vote for no labels.  The effect is the same.[/quote]

Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.[/quote]

No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump.  What are you not understanding about no labels?[/quote]

There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote.

Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?[/quote]

Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate.

Let's not fall for it.

Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.[/quote]

No Labels has been around for a while.  It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. [b] If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, [/b]then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket.  The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens.  [/quote]
Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.[/quote]

Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump.  Thanks in advance.[/quote]
Why are you so uninterested in the thread in which you’re posting? Are you afraid of learning something if you read the whole thing? But here you go, lazy. https://newrepublic.com/article/172059/no-labels-took-100000-clarence-thomas-buddy-harlan-crow[/quote]

Thanks. Crow donating a whopping $130,000 which is nothing by billionaire standards in either major political party.  Here is what that looks like: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/02/19/here-are-the-billionaires-who-donated-to-donald-trumps-2020-presidential-campaign/?sh=233614374667  Trump had 133 billionaires or their spouses backing him in 2020.

Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump:

In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.”

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The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.[/quote]

I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.[/quote]

Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate? [/quote]

Of course plenty of republicans hate trump.   What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election.  That is nonsense and they know it.[/quote]

No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once.  Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization.   Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win?  Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.[/quote]

Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize?  Let's see that list.[/quote]

You are missing the point.  At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably.  Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory.  It is possible to change the electoral map.[/quote]

You are missing the point.  Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".[/quote]

I have not seen any polling.  Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election.  There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels.  If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative. [/quote]

[b]Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party?[/b]

Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.[/quote]

The whole point is to have an alternative to both the Democratic and Republican parties. An actual choice.[/quote]

No, it isn’t. They are not trying to win the election. They are doing nothing to organize a legitimate presidential campaign for a legitimate party nominee. They just want to place someone on the ballot who can take 5-10 percent from Biden. [/quote]
Yes, yes you're right... people like Lieberman and Hogan are going to go out of their way to take 5-10 percent away from Biden because they prefer a second term for Trump. That is just bloody brilliant. I mean, we all know how much Hogan and Lieberman love Trump. You are a genius. Thanks for guiding us to truth. Ugghhh.... sorry, I just can't sometimes with the senselessness of some people. Use your noodles folks.[/quote]
I wish you’d use your “noodle,” too.

No Labels knows they can’t win. If they field a candidate, all they are doing is trying to topple the Democrats. I know you think the anonymous nobody candidate that the FORCED BIRTHER No Labels non-party either hasn’t identified or won’t share the name of is somehow going to alter the Nader, Nader Sander/Steinness of it all, but they are not.

If you support No Labels, just own the fact that you’re a Republican. Because that is what your vote will do: elect a Republican.[/quote]
Just throw insults, yell, and curse. You are clearly a rabble-rouser that has absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You don't understand the political party dynamics in the US so you just resort to calling anyone that says anything you don't understand a "Republican".[/quote]
If you actually think that an independent can win a presidential election it is you who doesn’t “understand political party dynamics in the US.”[/quote]

You sound like the people who used to say, if you actually think a black person coils become president, …. Hmmm. Could never happen. I say a successful 3rd party will emerge and start getting candidates elected for state and federal congresses in the next 10-20 years. [/quote]

Oh bullcrapola.  Tell us which states are going to be giving their electoral college votes to a third party so we can see why on earth you think this.[/quote]

They will look for the most vulnerable. Accept it. It will happen. [/quote]

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