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Pelosi made a huge mistake when she pulled the impeachment trigger before seeing any of the relevant documents.

The transcripts of the phone conversation did not contain the bombshells she was expecting - namely, evidence of a quid pro quo,[b]one doesn't need a quid pro quo, this has been explained many times[/b] or Trump pleading for dirt on Biden and son "eight separate times"[b]we have only seen a summary of the call, not the transcript. there are a lot of elipsses indicating a break in the conversation[/b], or Rudy Giulianni being offered in the role of a "fixer"[b]Rudy wasn't offered the role of fixer, he was operating illegally on behalf of fhte federal government, this is a prima facia illegal action[/b]. Instead, Biden was mentioned once, in the context of having bragged in 2018 about having gotten a Ukrainian prosecutor fired (this actually happened). Biden's son was mentioned once, in the context of being a board member of a Ukrainian gas company that was under investigation by the prosecutor who was fired[b]not true[/b]. And Giuliani was brought up by the Ukrainian President - not Trump.[b]Trump specifically see 'work with Giuliani and Barr[/b] Since then, it's come to light that the fired prosecutor gave a sworn deposition that he was ordered to stop the investigation into the gas company[b]a manufactured document creted by the exiled former prosecutor and the Oligarch Firtash[/b], at Biden's insistence, or resign.[b]the whole world, including the GOP here, wanted this guy gone, Biden was just the messenger[/b] He resigned. Altogether, it doesn't support a strong case for any impeachable act.

Then there's the so-called "whistleblower". The first problem with their complaint is that they mention right at the top that they had no first hand knowledge of any of the events they described in the complaint, [b]Niether did Linda Tripp - yet that was ok with the GOP in 1998[/b] and that everything they described came from other government employees or public news sources. Repeating what someone else told you is called "hearsay" in any court of law.[b]Impeachment isn't a court of law, sorry you can be impeached for lying about a blowjob or chewing gum[/b] Repeating what you read in the newspaper is not "whistleblowing".[b]yes, isn't it amazing this illegal activity was conducted in plain sight?[/b] Still, if the most serious allegations could somehow be proven then their might be some meat in that burger.[b]If only the president AND Rudy didn't admitted to the crimes on national television and on social media[/b] The most serious allegations were the alleged quid pro quo and the pressure to investigate Biden, both of which were pretty much disproven by the transcript. [/b]No, the most serious crimes are asking a foreign state for help in your re-election in violation of several federal laws and you think it was just magic that the funds were being withheld (illegally) or that they were magically released when the report surfaced?[b]

The news media hasn't helped here. ABC reported that an ex-aide to the Ukrainian President claimed that a promise to investigate the Bidens was a prerequisite for the phone call in July. Problem - the ex-aide assisted the Ukrainian President in the post election transition, and then resigned. He wasn't working for the President at the time the phone call took place. Second, he stated to a US reporter that he never told ABC that he had any knowledge of the phone call or any prerequisite conditions. ABC retracted the following morning. And so it goes with the other mainstream media outlets. Bombshell, retraction. Bombshell, retraction.[/b]Where is the Seth Rich Fox retraction? At least some news orgs correct the story as they get more info[b]

Pelosi took a blind leap into an empty pool, and Democrats now need to clean this up as quickly as possible. Their hopes of having this linger into next year's elections have evaporated. Pelosi wants this done and forgotten before the primaries. Don't worry. We won't forget.[/quote]

Oh, we won't forget all right. If the phone call was so perfect, why was its contents illegally stored on a super secret NSC server? Why has one state department official already resigned?

The actions by those involved are not those of people who acted legally, perfectly or within the confines of the law.[/quote]

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