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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When do you think France will elect and reelect a president with a middle name like, say, Hussein?  Or any European country, for that matter?[/quote]

come down from you high horse, the US elected his first AA president after AA have been in the US for hundreds of years (immigrants from North Africa and other former colonies have been in France and other European countries for a much shorter time, in some countries just a decade or two), and have never elected a woman (as EU countries have already done), and have never elected a Muslim president, although Muslims have been in the US for a long time.

France has already had a Muslim minister of justice (and a woman!)

Hussein? if Obama was Muslim, he would not have done that far in the election[/quote]
Rachida Dati grew up in a Muslim family she does not look and behave like a Muslim. I do not believe she is a practicing Muslim. When there is a practicing Muslim hijabi minister in France, then we'll talk. [/quote]

+1.  Dati was a cabinet member under a right-wing government prone to tokenism.  Condy Rice was Secretary of State before that, if I recall correctly.

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And Collin Powell before that.

Someone like Obama wouldn't have been able to use some water fountains in the early 60s because of the color of his skin. The US has many problems, but it has made significant progress.  While France is a great country, it has major difficulties working as a diverse society. A melting pot it is not.

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let's just not mix apples with oranges. Condi Rice and Powel are AA Christians, none of them is Muslim.  the fact that the US would elect a black person has nothing to do with electing a Muslim.    the first poster asked when France would elect a president with a Muslim sounding middle name, as if in the US it was normal to elect Muslims in high office (and just let me point out that the fact that poster consider an accomplishment the election of a Christian man with a middle name that may sound Muslim says a lot) while in France it is not.  the US has had a Muslim population for over a century, and how many Muslim presidents? none. women? none. presindents who are not Christians? none.  atheists? none. European countries have elected women and atheists as presidents/prime ministers for a long time.

in the US are no Musmlims have ever been elected/nimonated  (at least that I know of) in high public office, not even "Muslims who do not look and act like Muslims", whatever that means: no vice president, no speaker of the house, no supreme court justice, I don't think there has ever been a Muslim governor.  the first (just one) Muslim in congress in US history was elected in 2008 apparently (in Germany there have been Muslim representatives of Turkish descent since at least 1994).  while Obama's middle name is Hussein, he is not a Muslim as we all know.  do you really think he would have been elected if he was a practicing Muslim?

funny that you discount Rachida Dati as a Muslim minister of justice "because she does not look or act as a Muslim".  she is a Muslim, one of 12 kids of a Muslim impoverished family of the banlieus.  there have been other Muslim cabinet members in France, including Rama Yade as Secretary of State for Human Rights Fadéla Amara as Secretary of State for Urban Policies, both nominated in 2007.  how many Muslims cabinet members have ever been nominated in the US? zero.

Europe can certainly do better, but it seems to be that it is doing much better already than the US even though the influx of Muslim immigrants is a fairly recent phenomen (less recent in France, more recent in other countries, but even in France was not a relevant phenomenon before the 60's at least).

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