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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Big Pharma is a big problem  here not guns. Majority  of these shooters are on SSRI’s or recently, puberty  blockers. Nobody wants to call out the elephant in the room:
Big Pharma [/quote]

It is insane to me how among the listed side effects for SSRIs - drugs given for severe depression - are suicidal thoughts and suicidal behavior! What are the point of these poisonous things???[/quote]

It’s also dumb that teens can’t vape or smoke until 18 or  drink till they’re 21 because alcohol is considered a mind altering drug yet they can take SSRI’s or  completely change their gender with puberty blockers while underage.

Teens are already mentally not all the way there so imagine with  medication [/quote]

You can’t drink until 21 but you can buy a gun at 18.

Guns should require a safety class and test (like driving lessons) that come with a cost and parental and medical provider sign-off before anyone gets close to having the privilege to buy a gun. [/quote]

This is the solution! A start. Banning firearms is the end goal, but this is what we do as soon as we have a real leader in the USA. Or even on state level in states with sensible lawmakers. [/quote]

Why not just [i]start[/i] with the end goal? Don’t you even care about all the people who will still die getting from your “start point” to the end goal? What about them? Don’t they matter? You’re willing to sacrifice them to incremental progress?

That’s F’d up. [/quote]

Firearms cannot be banned. Not lawfully. Not practically. It is a reality-denying confabulation to insist on magical solutions while ignoring the root causes of psychopathy and criminal violence. [/quote]

They actually can be banned but Republicans refuse to allow it. [/quote]

“Banned” like illicit narcotics and all the other contraband in which the country is, and has long been, awash?  There is a federal “ban” on marijuana. Illegitimate and unprescribed fentanyl is “banned” everywhere. We all know how that’s worked out. [/quote]

Do you think we are idiots that don’t know other nations don’t have our gun violence issues? [/quote]

“Gun violence” is a handy rhetorical buzzword for criminal misuse of firearms.

I didn’t call anybody any names. If somebody feels like they’re an idiot when the error of what purports to be their reasoning becomes evident, that feeling would be for them to examine.

Other nations, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively discussed in this and other threads, are not the same as the United States. There are places in the world where essentially every home has a fully automatic, machine gun, battle rifle, weapon of war, AK pattern rifle. They have plenty of internecine violence but nobody is shooting up schools.

It is delusional to believe that firearms can be magically “disappeared” from the United States, never to reappear. Continuing to posit that as a “solution” to unlawful criminal violence committed with firearms distracts from the real problem of criminal psychopaths and their psychopathic criminal misconduct.

In any event, the point of my post was that paper “bans” may briefly feel satisfying, but that there is a long way between what’s on paper and what’s actually happening in reality. [/quote]

NP.

+1000

This post sums it up so well.  So many societal problems far, far beyond shootings, could be addressed and helped if we took mental health as seriously as other countries do.

A good start is to bring back the in-patient mental hospitals to help the ones most in-need in our country.  We never should have eliminated those facilities.  Reform, yes, but not the wholesale closure which we implemented.[/quote]

I agree with you we need to fix societal issues like better inpatient mental health treatment, but I disagree with the PP that gun reform means “paper bans.”

We need —

Gun buy backs. Offer financial incentives to get as many off the street as possible, no questions asked during a certain phase-in period.

Strict liability (e.g, someone else accesses your gun and shoots up a school or you leave it unattended so a toddler kills themself, this is some level of homicide). Make a big show of charging people as accessories to crimes so we can scare the crap out of people who aren’t keeping their guns secure. If you own a gun, you own the result of anyone harmed by it. If you are a responsible gun owner already taking precautions, you should have no problem with this. Only people who know they are careless will have anything to worry about. Exemptions for people who timely report stolen weapons.

Mandatory gun registration and requiring storage in a biometric safe when it’s not being carried on your person. This goes back to the strict liability above. Your gun is either on your person or in a safe. If you fail to do so, you accept civil and criminal liability for whatever happens with that gun. Intent for the result itself doesn’t matter (see felony murder rules in many states).

Failure to register a gun is a felony and make it easier for the government to confiscate guns from people who don’t have registration. This includes finding guns at traffic stops.

Mandatory insurance and tracking/limits regarding the amount of ammunition you can buy. If I can manage to show my ID to buy cold medicine, then people can show an ID to buy bullets, which kill people. Rates go up the more guns and ammo you buy.

Stricter enforcement of existing laws. No more “second chances” for people who commit gun crimes. A friend of mine was murdered by someone who had a prior gun charge that was pled down and had been let back out after just 2 years. I think if you commit a felony with a gun (robbery, assault, etc.) you get a mandatory minimum of 20 years.

Also, stop charging 16 and 17 year olds as juveniles. The vast majority of teens are not out shooting people so this isn’t simply dumb teenage behavior. At this point they’re old enough to understand their actions. They just don’t want the consequences.

Improvement in family courts and prosecution of domestic violence. Stop making parents hand their kids over for visits with nut jobs known to be violent.

Requirements for social media companies to use AI to flag manifestos and posts with guns. It’s absolutely infuriating that this Minn shooter uploaded looney tunes videos to YouTube and no one did a damn thing.

These are just off the top of my head. I’m sure as technology advances we can build on this.[/quote]

Those are great solutions if you're talking about a law abiding population.

Most of those won't work once they get past straw buyers or the firearms are reported stolen. They would merely be additional charges layered on for a plea agreement.[/quote]

So go hard after the straw buyers and put them away for 20 years. Take away the incentive for anyone to want to help criminals.

If you’re having to show a Real ID, pass a background check, buy insurance, have to document your ammo purchases, etc. then people may think twice. And it would be easier to figure out who is buying them for others. Maybe even AI could be used to flag concerning applications.[/quote]

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