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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't really have an opinion yet about the case but what I do know from everything I have read and seen is that I really don't like either Blake or Justin as people. Both are obnoxious. [/quote]

+1, I am surprised by the posts on here defending Justin like he's some wronged innocent. He sounds like an opportunist who found a nice niche for himself ("I'm a *sensitive* guy who really gets it") and capitalized on it, but it all comes off as very disingenuous to me. Also his book, podcast, and this movie sound like garbage so I can't help but roll my eyes about the comments talking earnestly about how he just want to address toxic masculinity or tell stories of abuse. GMAFB.

But I've also never liked Lively and am totally unsurprised that she's a diva on set and impossible to work with, or that she goes running to her husband to fix things for her when she doesn't get her way. I have also encountered dysfunctional couples like this twice in real life, both in semi-professional contexts where the women would pout and play the victim and then their husbands would come down hard on people but justify it as "protecting" their wives. It's equally annoying as Justin's schtick, and probably ultimately more consequential.

Ugh. I have zero interest in ever paying money to see anything any of these people ever make again. There are lots of talented artists out there who aren't like this.[/quote]

I don't care for his male feminist schtick and his Man Enough book sounds boring. But I do believe he was railroaded by two powerful people and that he has very credible rebuttals for all of Blake's sexual harassment claims. I think you're conflating the comments here with a Justin Baldoni subreddit or something, because I haven't seen anything here really indicating we're legitimate fans of his. It's really more anti-Lively here than pro-Justin.[/quote]

I'm the PP and I've only read about that s conflict here. There have definitely been posts on here that are very "pro-Justin" and painting him as some wonderful person. I don't even get the posts painting him as a victim, tbh. I don't think Lively is a victim either. I think they are both narcissistic, grating people who made a crappy movie together and got embroiled in a pissing match. I think Lively comes off worse because of Reynolds and because she had more leverage. But I don't view either as a victim.[/quote]

I think he’s a fake and unlikable person. But for Blake to try and destroy him is what I think enrages a lot of people who see the power imbalance and also see what kind of person she is through all the interviews she’s done where she has appeared condescending (you have a cute bump) and clueless (wear your florals) and cruel (pointing out thaf Leighton was born in a cage). This does not mean that powerful women who happen to be dumb and unkind cannot be victims of sexual harassment—they just have to have strong evidence.

I will say though, if Jennifer Lawrence said she was sexually harassed I would believe her without evidence because I think she has character and integrity. [/quote]

I disagree entirely. They don’t need particularly strong evidence which is what you’re perhaps unintentionally suggesting. That’s not what’s up here.

There is not only NO evidence that she was harassed, but rather there is abundant evidence that she lied about all of it. This isn’t about believing JLaw but not tacky Khaleesi because of a parasocial relationship. Lively has no evidence at all that anything she has said is within a reasonable distance to truth. She lied. She is a liar. Why are people so uncomfortable with that? She is the only accuser I’ve ever read of in my life who I know to be lying about this kind of thing - I always default to believing accusers so the fact that this man has a wealth of evidence backing him is stunning.  She does not have her view and he his. She literally lied ENTIRELY about the “kissing my neck and saying it smells so good” scene. We saw it ultimately in full. She lied. Like a liar.

Blake Lively is in no way being held to a high standard. She lied her ass off in every way conceivable about all of this.[/quote]

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