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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them.  Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students.  It's horrible horrible horrible.  The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.[/quote]

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.[/quote]

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day. [/quote]

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you?  Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day?  That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective. [/quote]

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

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New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like [b]"wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"[/b]

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"[/quote]

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because[b] our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers)[/b]. Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do![/quote]

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make. [/quote]

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do? [/quote]they don’t work summers[/quote]

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time [/quote]

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream.  An unlivable dream. 
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Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week  x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job. [/quote]

Well let's compare you to me.

You work 2480 hours
I work 65 hours per week X 49 week per year (I get 3 weeks vacation) = 3185
TOTAL: 3185 hours per year

And I am so sick of teachers saying they are unpaid during the summer. You get an ANNUAL SALARY. If you make $50,000 per year, you make $50,000 per year whether you work 10 months (and choose to take your annual salary over the 10 months) or you work 12 months. You are still getting an ANNUAL salary. How you decide to spend it during the entirety of your year is up to you.

In other words. Let's say you were offered a teaching job at $50,000 per year. Then you counter offer and say, I want to get paid over the summer.  So, your employer tells you, Ok, because $50,000 over 12 months is $4167 per month, we'll pay you an additional $8334 (for the extra two months), so your annual salary will be $58,334 per year - but we will be paying you over ten months so you will be getting $5,833.40 per month.

I'll bet you that you all would STILL say that you have unpaid summers. See how that works? [/quote]

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