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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]op: what country are you originally from?

what was your experience with missionaries?

do you donate your time to working as a secular aid worker now?

Why do you think communist countries and countries under Sharia law ban, imprison, or kill missionaries, and why do you think that’s ok?[/quote]

DP. Would you permit me to add:

What do you propose should replace the banned missionary work, given that several here have said secular aid doesn’t always exist in rural or dangerous places? (On a related note, why do you continue to maintain those pp’s were lying?) Should poor people just go without food and medical aid? (Said from the comfort of your warm couch, as you pour a third glass of Malbec.)

[b]Why do you think poor people—in third world countries or Appalachia—are incapable of making their own decisions? [/b](You’ve been asked this at least 20 times, still no real answer.)[/quote]

I’ve been asked this. And I’ve answered multiple times.

But I’m not OP.

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Supposing that’s true (which it’s not).

Care to answer the other questions about your personal experience with missionaries, whether you provide any help other than writing a check, how you think poor people will get on in places where you’ve banned missionaries and secular groups don’t go, and the rest?[/quote]

There are multiple people posting so maybe you confused me with other posters.

- I'm not OP. 
- I've recently addressed the question about "poor people making decisions". Again. 
- I know people who were missionaries and they've shared a lot about their experiences. 
- I donate globally and volunteer locally. 
- I haven't said I wanted to ban missionaries. Only that missionaries shouldn't proselytize during vulnerable situations. Don't mix service & verbal persuasion.
- I didn't say people lied about presence of secular aid. 
- I did ask why can't missionaries provide the same aid without religion - as a secular organization. 
- I think people are capable of making their own decisions. 
- I think it's unethical to try to persuade people when they are vulnerable and there is a power imbalance. 
- I think killing is bad. 
- I think people breaking the law in other countries do so at their own risk. 
- I think countries should be able to make their own decisions about religion and missionaries - via democratic process.

For example, if Israel officially did ban missionaries (they haven't but considered it) - that would be their right if done democratically. 
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/08/israel.missionaries/index.html

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Why don’t you volunteer globally like religious missionaries do? What’s stopping you from providing secular aid to people in need in the 3rd world?[/quote]

I do volunteer locally with a group that supports refugees. With young kids it's tough to get away. Plus, I don't have language skills or special skills that some organizations really need. So financial support seems to work best for now.

After we retire, we plan to move to DH's home country to help an organization we've supported remotely for many years.

And I've never said to _ban_ missionaries. Keep the aid. Lose the proselytizing in vulnerable situations.

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I am sure the nations of the world will hop to it, not. Those who can will do so.  You can stay home and comfy and make excuses. [/quote]

I feel comfortable with my current contributions, thanks.

So would missionaries still volunteer if only secular options were available? 
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Yeah, other people are doing the hard stuff. While you whine. [/quote]

But would they do the hard stuff if they didn't have strings attached? 
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your posts show it’s extremely hard to be a missionary, so hard you cannot do it.

no one here has shown that any missionaries withhold or deny food or medical care or any type of aid based on religious status. There are no strings.

Mission work is hard. My worst experience was working with Kurdish people in Northern Iraq while Saddam was still in power. The living conditions were brutal. A few days after we left the camp we had been working in, Iraqi forces killed most if not all of the people on that camp. It was heartbreaking. People like you should really be quiet and know their own limitations, and keep whining to a minimum. [/quote]

Nice deflection. Now answer the question.[/quote]

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