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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here...I saw someone finally mentioned the grumpiness of my naturalist/materialist/empiricist/evolutionist/skeptic/atheist DCUM PPs!  Whew!

Where's the love?  Really...what is it that makes skeptics so cranky?  [/quote]

Because you condescend.  You keep positioning god as something that is accessible by reason or a reason-like process, which gives you a greater view into the workings of the universe than a skeptic can ever have.  Which drives them batshit crazy because it's not true.

In reality, faith is a belief.  
It does not contradict existence, but it can't be proven by existence.
It is not accessible by reason or a reason-like process.
It is perfectly reasonable not to believe in God. There is no logic that proves him.
It gives insight into morality, but it does not give superior information on the universe. This has been proven time and time again.  Science gives us superior information into the universe.

The best way to reach out to atheists is to have respect for their skepticism.  They are being reasonable.  [b]It makes no sense for God to hide and then make heaven dependent on believing in him.[/b]  Where is the good in that?

No, the good in people is in seeking and doing good.  Whether we find it in church or by studying creation, this is a purpose that is clear to many skeptics and believers alike.

Lastly, never subordinate science to any other form of inquiry.  [b]If God created the universe, he must be most pleased that people apply energy and intellectual rigor to comprehend, appreciate, and honor it.[/b]

And this is why, as a lifelong Christian, I have written as though I am a taunting skeptic.

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NEVER would I say God made heaven dependent on believing in Him.  I have said the precise opposite, that there are no "accidental" eternities apart from God.

And I have emphasized again and again that there is no conflict between the truths of physics and metaphysics.  God is the Author of all Truth, and absolutely, our existence should draw us closer to Him.  Theist scientists throughout the world, throughout the centuries, have always known that.

Finally, I can only offer my humble apologies for any lapses in congeniality.  (Though I hope PPs realize I am not the only theist around on the thread--several times, opinions have been ascribed to the OP when it was not so.)  I value every opinion shared.  I have learned a great deal, and will continue to do so.

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I never said that you made heaven dependent on faith.  My comments specifically directed at you stopped at the first paragraph.  The rest is to speak generally about how theists in general can have respect for skeptics.  And many people are hung up on the Christian notion that salvation is through faith alone.  Therefore it is relevant.

And while you say there is no conflict between God and science, you personally evaluate scientific data very acutely through whether it proves or disproves God.  Look at your last post.  The comment on evolution and also on the scientific papers.  Those papers were intended to answer specific questions that you brought up about the extent to which science understands how life first formed.  To a person comfortable with the relationship between science and God, this is fascinating.  But you are defensive enough about the implications of science that you have to check these theories against your beliefs.  I am a Christian and I do not do that.  The same goes with evolution.  A religious person who is comfortable with science should jump on this as an opportunity to see the unfolding of creation.  Cool stuff, not threatening stuff.

And lastly, you show your prejudice again when you ask the question "why is it important not to believe in God?"  That does not make sense to a skeptic.  Surely they are going to say "why is it important not to believe in the FSM?"  And they would be right.  You are implying that there is some emotional need that is causing them to choose their disbelief.  Otherwise if you are merely stating it as a logical question, the answer is that "If Gods existence is important, then belief or disbelief is always important", ie their disbelief is just as crucial as your belief.[/quote]

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