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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The new US Ambassador to Israel is an evangelical Christian pastor who not only advocates for Israel's annexation of much of the West Bank, but also refuses to acknowledge the very existence of a Palestinian people. For Mike Huckabee, Palestinians are merely lost Arabs who can easily be absorbed by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. If Hamas doesn't release hostages and pursue peace before 1/20, it's going to be bleak for Palestinians. Likud has no greater ally than MAGA Republicans. Netanyahu will have the green light to end this anyway he sees fit. Palestinians have no leverage with a Trump administration. Invading Israel on 10/7 and killing all those innocent people has got to be the stupidest thing Palestinians in Gaza could possibly have ever done. There's no win anywhere for Palestinians. An absolutely historic miscalculation. [/quote] It was always bleak for Palestinians, you’re wearing rose colored glasses if you think otherwise. [b]They were never going to get a fair 2 state solution;[/b] they were never going to be allowed equal Israeli citizenship; their only option was fight, accept expulsion and apartheid. [/quote] The Palestinians were never going to get a 2 state solution that [b]they[/b] consider fair. The UN partition offered the Palestinians their own state, they chose war. The plan in 1999 would have given them a state along the 1967 borders with a few land swaps, this wasn't as good as what they could have had in 1948 so this wasn't fair and they chose intifada. If Hamas surrenders unconditionally, perhaps they can still have a 2 state solution but it will look a fair sight worse than what they could have gotten in 1999. There won't be a next time. FAFO.[/quote] Nobody believes Zionist lies - GTFO [/quote] +1. I love all these white western pontificators cos-playing at statecraft, as if they have ANY entitlement to other people’s land. Just go home, get out of Palestine. Seriously what makes Biden different from Putin taking Russia and Trump salivating over Greenland. That ain’t yours. Go on, get. [/quote] The land is Israel, if you disagree, do something about it. Oh that's right, you tried and now you are in the finding out phase of... FAFO[/quote] No Israel has no right to the land. The area always changed rulers but has never been self ruled. Israel will fail just like all the others.[/quote] Nobody has a "right" to the land. But Israel is there and it is a nuclear state so it will remain there. Honestly, Israel was never in danger of going away after 1973. Someone should have told the Palestinians before all the other countries started making peace with Israel.[/quote] Israel absolutely has a right to the land and if it were any other country in the world and any other group of people (non Jews), there would be zero confusion about that. [/quote] No, no it doesn’t. And it doesn’t have the right to land in Lebanon, Syria or a Jordan either.[/quote] You make war, there are consequences. This is what Hamas is finding out currently. [/quote] Word! This is like the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. When the Jews made war on Germany.[/quote] If the Germans won the war, that’s what it would be documented as, a terrorist attack. The funny thing Zionists don’t seem to understand is the same type of people who support Palestinians (as being the oppressed), do the same for all oppressed people and see bs for what it is. [/quote] The jews could not have merely lived in peace in that warsaw ghetto. They were being shipped to concentration camps Palestinians could have lived in peace and built a nation but they could not stomach jews living on what they considered their land. So they waged endless war, secure in the knowledge that israel would always back down under international pressure and never engage in total war. That changed on october 7th when hamas attacked and people blamed israel. Israel realized that it was never going to satisfy its critics and decided that they would pursue security. October 7th clarified things for israel. FAFO[/quote] How much time have you spent in the Gaza and West Bank ghettos - or the Warsaw ghetto, for that matter - to speak so authoritatively about the extent of misery and livability?[/quote] The warsaw uprising wasn't about misery and livability. It was about trainloads of people being shipped off to treblinka. Historians think they have a pretty good idea that this was happening. Gaza and the west bank could have been palestine since 1948 but a 7 nation army attacked israel instead. Gaza and the west bank could have been palestine again in 2000 but instead there was intifada. Maybe after this, there will be another opportunity, but I doubt it. FAFO[/quote] You are so engrained in what you were taught. Israel was never going to honor 1948 Palestine had they signed on the dotted line and they even said it. It was always a plan to take Judea and Samaria and the whole Levant. Israel has bribed the US on both sides of the political spectrum beyond belief so they know there are no red lines. Their stop gap in my opinion is Obama and Trump. Both have quietly shifted the parties to a more isolationist stance which is bad news for Israel. FAFO indeed. Israel may end up with no allies when fighting off seven countries again, and this time it isnt 1948 and they are not the underdogs.[/quote] No they are not underdogs this time, they are a nuclear power. This time, they have treaties with Egypt, Jordan, and the Abraham accords. They were on the verge of making peace with Saudi Arabia when Hamas stirred the pot to spoil those negotiations. None of these countries will risk nuclear attack to save Palestinians. They don't even like the Palestinians. Israel may not have any friends in the area but neither do the Palestinians. FAFO[/quote]
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