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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Despite what's being posted here, the WH is definitely scarred and acknowledge how weak their position is https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/hillary-clinton-urges-joe-biden-not-to-sleep-on-third-party-spoilers[/quote] “Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP. [/quote] Your hyperbole is getting tiresome. Time to take a chill pill and work toward achievable solutions rather than name calling, which is off-putting to those moderates and independents who the Dems need. I mean, you slam Dems because you think they aren’t true Dems or Dem enough. Keep it up though if you want people to vote 3rd party. [/quote] Voting no labels is voting for trump. Stop treating posters like fools. [/quote] They’re not dumb like they’re trying to pretend. They just have to troll that hard to try to hide their love for the GOP and all their sick policies. [/quote] Yes, yes, anyone who expresses a concern is a traitor.[/quote] I mean, why express concern when we are so fortunate to have a likely rematch of the two greatest presidential candidates in American history? [/quote] Whine and cry to all the voters that can't be bothered to vote in a primary. The solution is not billionaires coming in to try to manipulate things to their liking with third party stunt.[/quote] The solution certainly isn't hoping either party, one of them entirely lost to extremists and the other making alarming concessions to its own extremists, suddenly decides to correct its course and actually represent more moderate views. Many people are politically homeless. Deal with that instead of trying to browbeat anyone who dares question your Revolution. If Democrats need to hold onto my vote then return to moderate policies.[/quote] Vote for trump or vote for no labels. The effect is the same.[/quote] Maybe No Labels can ultimately throw its weight behind Democrats if Democrats can re-commit to being sensible rather than Revolutionary? Because if you keep doing what you're doing and simply insulting anyone who disagrees with you, you will also be voting for Trump because too many moderates can't endorse some of your policies.[/quote] No labels would only throw it's little weight to a Dem if that would help trump. What are you not understanding about no labels?[/quote] There is a real need for representation for moderates. No Labels has explanations other than dividing the vote. Look how dogmatic you are... are you really prepared to work with people who want to consider things more carefully?[/quote] Narrator: it is a bunch of right wingers, funded by right wing billionaires, pretending to be moderate. Let's not fall for it. Yes, we can consider things more carefully, and in considering "no labels" - it is sham meant to split votes away from the Democrats in order to secure right wing fascism, so just own it for what it is.[/quote] No Labels has been around for a while. It looks to consist of a mix of disaffected DLC Democrats who have banded together with some Never Trumpers more recently. [b] If you do not like the billionaires you assert without evidence are funding No Labels, [/b]then work at the grass roots level to find another candidate to replace Biden at the top of the ticket. The No Labels folks have agreed to go away if that happens. [/quote] Did you just show up to this long thread? There’s a ton of evidence throughout it and the links in it.[/quote] Since you apparently have spent time reviewing this thread, please provide one link with evidence showing that billionaires are behind No Labels and trying to elect Trump. Thanks in advance.[/quote] Why are you so uninterested in the thread in which you’re posting? Are you afraid of learning something if you read the whole thing? But here you go, lazy. https://newrepublic.com/article/172059/no-labels-took-100000-clarence-thomas-buddy-harlan-crow[/quote] Thanks. Crow donating a whopping $130,000 which is nothing by billionaire standards in either major political party. Here is what that looks like: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2021/02/19/here-are-the-billionaires-who-donated-to-donald-trumps-2020-presidential-campaign/?sh=233614374667 Trump had 133 billionaires or their spouses backing him in 2020. Plus, Crow, notwithstanding that he is apparently personal friends with a Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican, has made it clear that he is looking for a third party candidate not to reelect Trump: In a statement to The New Republic, Crow said he supports No Labels because he believes that both parties have become too extreme. “America is in trouble if we keep going down the path of letting the two extremes dictate our politics,” Crow said in the statement. “I support No Labels because our government should be about what’s best for America, not what’s best for either political party. That’s also why I’ve supported candidates from both sides of the aisle who are willing to engage in civil discussions to move our country forward.” [/quote] The $130,000 is to a No Labels affiliated group that is disclosing its donors, but the actual No Labels is not and has hundreds of millions in dark money.[/quote] I have the list of donors and I've met with Nancy Jacobson. There are SEVERAL Trump donors on the list. Not just Crow. You cannot convince me that they would donate for any reason other than to get Trump elected. If it was just Crow, I would believe the story, but it isn't.[/quote] Isn't it possible that these so-called Trump donors have broken with him due to 1/6, multiple impeachments, his countless statements that have offended people, etc., and are looking for another candidate? [/quote] Of course plenty of republicans hate trump. What is not possible is that these folks actually believe that their third party candidate would win a presidential election. That is nonsense and they know it.[/quote] No one thought that Donald Trump could win either but he did once. Trump was covered on the entertainment pages well into the 2016 campaign by a respected news organization. Why exactly do you think it is impossible for No Labels to win? Especially since other posters are convinced that they have hundreds of millions in the bank, which would help getting on the ballot and in communications, etc.[/quote] Why dot you explain where these electoral college votes are going to materialize? Let's see that list.[/quote] You are missing the point. At this time during the 2016 cycle, (Oct. 2015), no one thought that Trump had a snowball's chance yet he won comfortably. Pollster Kellyann Conway was mocked even a week or so before the election when she explained Trump's numerous paths to victory. It is possible to change the electoral map.[/quote] You are missing the point. Do your best Kellyann and explain the no labels "path to victory".[/quote] I have not seen any polling. Keep in mind that we are more than a year out from the election. There are serious people from both major political parties attached to No Labels. If the major parties insist on running Biden and Trump, there will be a viable alternative. [/quote] Who are the serious democrats attached to the No Labels Party? Because Penn/Jacobson and Leiberman are ...not Democrats and haven't been for more than a decade.[/quote] Why do you insist who is and who isn’t party of the party even when some are card holding members? It is such a bad look. So-and-so isn’t part of the party because this one time …. Clearly you are not interested in the Democrats winning an election as much as seeing your POV being the only POV. Anyone in the party who differs an inch from yours is dead to you.[/quote] Lieberman hasn’t been a “card holding member” in decades. He was an independent when Connecticut dumped him out of the Senate and is a Trump fan who was on his short list for FBI director. https://ctmirror.org/2016/11/25/lieberman-praises-trumps-national-security-picks/[/quote] Connecticut didn’t “dump” Lieberman from the Senate. He retired after serving four terms[/quote] He spoke at the Republican Convention in 2008 for McCain. He lost the 2008 Democratic Senate Primary but then won a three-way race as an Independent. He then caucused with Democrats, who let him keep his committee chairmanship, but he mostly represented the insurance industry. As the 60th vote, he forced Democrats to take the public option out of the Affordable Care Act. [/quote] Senator Lieberman seems like someone who would know something about defeating both the Republicans and Democrats in an election. And he clearly was in the majority on health care reform also if there were 59 other senators who agreed with him. [/quote] Thanks to the other PP for reminding me that he backed McCain in 2008. He was also on McCain’s short list for VP. As for how he “knows something about defeating both the Republicans and Democrats in an election,” if No Labels could come up with a three-term incumbent with 100% name recognition to run for President as an independent, that candidate might have a fighting chance to defeat Trump and Biden. But there is no such candidate.[/quote] There will be time to find a candidate. It is better for No Labels to nominate someone with relevant political or business experience but who is not that well known nationally, a stealth candidate. Otherwise the major parties will have a much easier time driving up the candidate's negatives. Timing is also key. If and when the major parties stick with Trump and Biden respectively, only then will No Labels be able to come in with a viable alternative to seize the momentum and narrative much like Ross Perot did in the initial polls in 1992. But he was flaky and only ultimately got 19%. In 2016, the successful candidate was perhaps best known as a reality TV star and he defeated someone who was described at the time as the most experienced presidential candidate ever. Anything can happen.[/quote] He lost the popular vote by millions in 2016. He never has and never will come close to winning the popular vote. No labels is trying to exploit the electoral college system to get him elected again even though he is terrible. God willing, they will fail miserably. [/quote]
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