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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is America. You shouldn’t be able to murder someone with your bare hands just because they are acting strange or having a mental health episode. That isn’t “self defense.” The law disagrees.

The people supporting the Marine are inching toward the notion that they should be able to kill anyone they deem a “threat.” And guess who they will consider a “threat” just because their fee-fees are agitated?

Holding this view, and acknowledging that the city has serious issues with the mentally ill roaming the streets and posing threats are compatible.

That said, the Supreme Court has taken an extremely expansive view of personal liberties. You have every right to be a raving mentally ill lunatic on the subway as long as you don’t commit a crime. Being mentally ill in public is not a crime. I’m supportive of looser involuntary commitment laws, but that would likely go against everything the current SC has been recently promoting in regards to a very expansive view of personal liberties. [/quote]

This guy wasn't "behaving erratically", he actually was dangerous.  Multiple people had said so, officially. That doesn't even include his multiple earlier victims, btw.

When people conflate crazy homeless people with dangerous homeless people, then more tragedies like this will happen.  Think more deeply.[/quote]

How was he actually "dangerous" in this moment on the subway? Did he threaten to harm others? Did he actually assault someone? Be specific - use his words verbatim. You are just insinuating danger over and over again. The court doesn't rule on feelings.

Listen, I am sympathetic that people were scared by his language and volume. I've been in the NYC subway plenty of times when the mentally ill are on-board; I lived in NYC for over a decade. When that happens you GTFO, you move away from the person, you help others (elderly, disabled, pregnant) get to safety.

But ya'll are arguing that "vibes" are sufficiently to literally kill someone who hasn't assaulted anyone. That is moving the goalposts on Stand Your Ground  waaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what is legal, reasonable, or moral. [/quote]

From the New York Times:  [b]Mr. Vazquez recalled that Mr. Neely had said “‘I don’t mind going to jail and getting life in prison,’” and “‘I’m ready to die.’”[/b][i]

I don't know about you, but if I'm riding the NYC subway and a man behaving erratically yells these words, I'm thinking he's seriously contemplating committing a crime that would warrant a life sentence.

It's a tragedy that he died, but if I were a passenger I would still be grateful that another passenger on the train took Neely down.  At an abstract level, it's a shame Neely was failed along the way by his parents (obviously the father bears the most responsibility here for abandoning his son both as a child and as an adult), his relatives, the legal system, and the city government.  But this guy was headed towards destruction - whether it was self-destruction, life in prison, "death by cop," or "death by vigilante" played out almost randomly.  [/quote]

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