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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nothing says the schools have to pick their students based on academic merit alone. It's not a simple GPA/standardized test score combo that is required to gain admission.

Athletes - If the schools choose to have athletic teams as an activity, why not fill them with decent players? Not shocking. Is a talented musician, academic team member, or speech/debate team member necessarily superior to or more valuable than a talented athlete under a holistic admissions approach? [/quote]

Except that holistic admission shouldn’t be making you check Race Box and using that to discriminate based on race?[/quote]
Right. Was stated in response to PPs stating that athletes shouldn't be given admissions "tips"/points/preferences. [/quote]
To clarify, diversity on many different levels can be a goal. The schools shouldn't be using the box to eliminate people bc of their race. However, the schools also are not obligated to rank applicants solely by GPA and test scores. [/quote]

So rank by race?

For the 100th time, nobody is saying solely use GPA + Tests.

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And nobody is "using the box to eliminate people bc of their race"!!![/quote]

We'll find out in the Supreme Court[/quote]

No, the Supreme Court will decide if the box can be used to INCLUDE people, not exclude them. There's a big difference. The former is Affirmative Action. The latter would be discrimination, and it's not happening.[/quote]

Why is it that people refuse to acknowledge that admissions is zero sum? Using a box it INCLUDE some people necessarily means that another group has to be excluded.[/quote]

Of course it's zero sum, but that exclusion is NOT deliberately aimed at keeping Asians out, which is what so many of the posts in this forum are stating. It's simply not true.[/quote]

Does it have to be deliberate?[/quote]

It does in order for the hundreds of posts in this thread that claim it's deliberate to be true. I don't have a strong opinion about whatever decision SCOTUS makes, because I know colleges will find other ways to help those from disadvantaged backgrounds. But I do have a problem with people claiming that college admission offices are deliberately excluding certain people based on their race, because it's a serious accusation that has no basis in fact.[/quote]

Do you have a way to explain Harvard's personality scores other than racism? [/quote]

They're looking for future leaders who will bring them fame and glory and tons of money, and they believe they've found another tool to help them in figuring this out. Any measurement is going to have some groups that end up on top, and others that don't. Asians having the lowest scores does not indicate that they're being deliberately excluded. I'll bet if you broke it down by extracurricular activity instead of race, you'd find that athletes score higher than any other group and that those with no ECs would score lowest. That would not mean that those with no ECs were being discriminated against.[/quote]

The top of the class does “best”, then it’s the athletes/artists/activists, then it’s the smart kids who were top of their class /SATs but standing next to the top 10% didn’t measure up (but are still amazing) … but they seem to not soar after graduation.[/quote]

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