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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nothing says the schools have to pick their students based on academic merit alone. It's not a simple GPA/standardized test score combo that is required to gain admission.

Athletes - If the schools choose to have athletic teams as an activity, why not fill them with decent players? Not shocking. Is a talented musician, academic team member, or speech/debate team member necessarily superior to or more valuable than a talented athlete under a holistic admissions approach? [/quote]

Except that holistic admission shouldn’t be making you check Race Box and using that to discriminate based on race?[/quote]
Right. Was stated in response to PPs stating that athletes shouldn't be given admissions "tips"/points/preferences. [/quote]
To clarify, diversity on many different levels can be a goal. The schools shouldn't be using the box to eliminate people bc of their race. However, the schools also are not obligated to rank applicants solely by GPA and test scores. [/quote]

So rank by race?

For the 100th time, nobody is saying solely use GPA + Tests.

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And nobody is "using the box to eliminate people bc of their race"!!![/quote]

We'll find out in the Supreme Court[/quote]

No, the Supreme Court will decide if the box can be used to INCLUDE people, not exclude them. There's a big difference. The former is Affirmative Action. The latter would be discrimination, and it's not happening.[/quote]

Why is it that people refuse to acknowledge that admissions is zero sum? Using a box it INCLUDE some people necessarily means that another group has to be excluded.[/quote]

Of course it's zero sum, but that exclusion is NOT deliberately aimed at keeping Asians out, which is what so many of the posts in this forum are stating. It's simply not true.[/quote]

If everyone else but White and Asian is included based on race, then white and asian applicants are being excluded on race. It doesn't look as bad for white applicants because numbers are skewed by legacy and sports, but an unhooked white applicant has the same impossible odds as an Asian applicant based solely on their race. [/quote]

"Impossible odds"?

They are only at that level at 20 schools or so.  See, this is your tell.  You don't care about this policy, how it works, what it's intent is, whether it is better for the colleges or the country.

You only care about making it [i]slightly less impossible[/i] for your kid to get into one of those 20 schools.

That's it.  That's the truth, and that is why your position is morally indefensible.[/quote]

Completely F the brown kids so the Asian kids get a marginally better chance of going to an elite school. 
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It does not F the brown kids to exclude them from schools for which they are [b]not qualified or capable.[/b]

In fact it hurts them more to admit them to schools where they will struggle and very likely drop out or flunk out.[/quote]

"Not qualified or capable" based on what? Who is defining the criteria for these schools? Big government?

What if their criteria is "different life experience/perspective"? 
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