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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The problem is she took a spot that someone else could have filled and reached their Olympic dream.[/quote]

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Whose spot? Do you happen to know who would have gone if Biles hadn't?

It's just a hunch but I'm pretty sure it would have made no sense to send that person instead, but I could be wrong.[/quote]

Probably Jade Carey.  She's taking the spot Biles gave up in the AA competition, which she qualified for but was the third ranked American and they only permit two per country.   She's a vault and floor specialist.  Having her in the team final may very well may have gotten the US team the gold, as those were two weaker events for the US without Biles.[/quote]

She did not take Jades team spot.  Jade earned a spot as an individual competitor, and elected to use that spot instead of being considered for a team spot. Performance suggest Le that jade would have been stronger on the team than Grace McCallum, arguably better than Jordan chiles overall, but she opted out of team consideration. This was made clear at the trials. [/quote]

This isn't what I said.  I wasn't talking about whether Jade should have been on the team originally or what happened at trials.  I'm saying that if Biles had bowed out prior to the team competition, who would US gymnastics subbed in her place at the last minute?  I don't know the specific rules, but if she was eligible, I'm pretty confident that Jade Carey would have been the one selected.  She did very very well in the qualifying round and would have been an strong asset to the US team.[/quote]

They couldn’t sub in Jade at the last minute- would have had to have been 24hrs in advance if the competition.  I can’t remember where but had read that Simone had looked ok in an earlier training that day.

In any event, no matter what Biles had done- stuck it out or pulled out earlier, the US girls still likely would not have won gold.  The math was in favor of the Russians whether Biles had continued to compete or Jade had been used in a couple events.  And although I was pulling for the US team I couldn’t help but be happy for the Russian team- nice gymnastics and you could tell how much it meant to them.[/quote]

I don’t think that’s right, Biles vault hurt them, and they are very deep at vault.  With a good vault score and enough notice to pick the best girls for the other events, gold was still within reach.  Carey had an individual spot that could not be transferred to another girl and was heavily discouraged from seeking a team slot for that reason.

Not questioning whether she should have withdrawn, just wish she had decided sooner, she has been struggling since the trials.[/quote]

Yeah but a struggling Biles still finished 1st in qualifications over pretty solid Suni and Jade.  3.5 points is a LOT to make up.  And everyone would have just found some thing else to criticize/complain about anyway.[/quote]In qualifiers, Carey scored 15.166 in the vault, 14.133 in the uneven bars, 12.866 in the balance beam and 14.100 on the floor.

Simone got a 13.766 on vault in the team competition.  Hypothetically, Jade's vault score from qualifiers would have made up 1.4 points.  On uneven bars, McCallum got a 13.700, so Carey's score from qualifiers would haveade up another 0.4 points.  On floor, Chile's got an 11.7, so if you substitute Carey's qualifiers score you make up another 2.4 points.  That's 4.3 points total.   Even with some margin, having Carey replace Simone could have gotten the US team the gold.  It definitely wasn't mathematically impossible.[/quote]Sorry, that's 4.2 points.  Typing on my phone.[/quote]

If Simone would have withdrawn earlier, the replacement would have come from the replacement athletes (Kayla DiCello or Emma M as Kara tested positive for Covid and Leanne had to quarantine). Jade was not in that pool since her position was not on the “team roster”.[/quote]

Pretty sure McKayla Skinner was also available as an alternate, and vault is her strongest apparatus.[/quote]

Same story, she was in an individual spot, which I don’t believe could be used to fill an open team spot. [/quote]

Yeah I think this is what is confusing to people- not sure Skinner and Carey were eligible and and as PP mentioned, the top two team alternates were in covid quarantine.  this year was tricky with the combo of team and individual athletes.  we could analyze this all day with hypotheticals but whats the point- the Russian team had better performances that day  team USA won a silver medal and that's that.

suni just won the AA- congrats to her and the other medalists! sounds like it was a good competition, will watch later.[/quote]

This insistence that there is no way that the US could have been better situated is so fan girlish and tiresome.  Simone has not been her normal self in competition for weeks.  I have no issue with her withdrawing but it certainly could have be done in a manner that left her teammates with better odds in the team competition.  To not admit that’s even a possibility is just bizarre.

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Maybe you should take a page out of the gymnasts book and get some perspective already:
"In our minds, we didn't just get silver, we WON silver."
-Suni Lee

Before she went out and won the all around too. :)[/quote]

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