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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't know where this pull to the right nonsense is coming from

Cyclists have a right to the road just like cars

[b]I blow through stopsigns and treat traffic lights like yields but I always check first.  I used to obey all traffic laws but in DC no bikers actually wait at red lights or come to a full and complete stop at a 4 way stop so I joined the local customs.[/b]

It does amaze me watching some bikers blow through without looking.  Thats asking for a serious accident.

I love the bike lanes in DC.  Its tough riding in downtown I tend to avoid it if at all possible.  Sometimes there is no choice and its pretty dangerous.  I have a right to be on the road.[/quote]

You don't get to pick the laws that you feel apply to you because of "local customs". You have a right to the road but not to your own set of rules based on nothing more than "local customs".[/quote]

Everyone picks the laws they choose to follow - drivers who speed, who fail to signal, etc. Pedestrians who jaywalk.   And Idahoing stops is not a local custom, it is widespread across the USA.   [/quote]

Yes, and that also means that drivers may choose to ignore laws that are there to protect you. See how that works? I may choose, as a part of "local custom" to pass by a cyclists very closely so as to not cross the double yellow, as is the "custom" of our local drivers. [/quote]

Oh, that is already the local custom here, as is drivers failing to signal, turning right on red without stopping, rolling through stop signs, and more than you might imagine, running red lights (and no, they never stop and then proceed through the red - they just run them).

The issue is that you passing closely is dangerous, while properly executed Idaho stops are safe, and in some circumstances can be safer than not doing them.

Also of course, if we all come to complete stops we will slow you down a lot more.   In SF a particular policeman started ticketing cyclists for Idahoing the stop signs on a popular bike route. The cyclists protested by getting together, riding the route, and OBEYING the law. Each one, in turn, made a complete foot down stop, before proceeding, at each stop sign.  This resulted in some considerable delay to motorists, and IIUC, the policeman in question was reassigned.  [/quote]

See, cyclists are douches. [/quote]

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