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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Undocumented workers are here for the same reason every single one of us has $600 phone in their pocket that would cost three times as much if it were made in the US.  We like cheap stuff. It raises our standard of living.

As long as we are shipping products and capital across borders, people should be (relatively) free to move for better opportunities as well.[/quote]

It raises WHOSE standard of living?  Yours? Assuming you are already middle class which it sounds like you are.  Because American unskilled uneducated workers aren't the ones buying the cheap crap that raises YOUR standard of living.  They cant afford it.  (And it is all crap!) Maybe what our consumerist greedy country needs is less "cheap" stuff that we dispose of quickly anyway and more better paying jobs to raise the standard of living for ALL AMERICANS?

And quit relying on what is essentially slave labor from under the table illegal workers who are willing to work for pennies and send most of it back home to their countries anyway doing very little for our economy while draining us of resources.   Immigration is a must but illegal immigration only benifits the corporations with cheap slave labor and greedy consumerist Americans that want their cheap crap no matter whose back it breaks.

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PP, here.  Yellow Nectarines are $1.99/lb at Whole Foods this week.  How much would the be if native born Americans were picking them?

I would prefer a much more flexible immigration system, so everyone who comes here would be documented.[/quote]

This cost has to be offset by the costs associated with our support of illegals healthcare (ER rooms) which is shared, they failure of them to pay taxes at a high participation rate, the strain on the school system (I live in AZ and we have to have dedicated English language tutors in all elementary schools), etc.   Quite frankly I would be fine with a guest worker program where migrants who worked in the agriculture industry were carefully screened, documented, and tracked on a come and go basis (seasonal).    This type of program could be implemented now, forcing those without such documentation to leave due to the inability to work.

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Who is blocking ANY immigration bill? [b]The democrats have agreed to border control after giving legal status to those who are already here[/b]. But the GOP somehow thinks they can deport everyone of them without any DIRECT COST of finding them, separating them from their family, taking them through the courts and finally deporting them. Then if you include the Indirect costs of the effect of losing over 10 Million over night(relatively short time frame) on the economy, loss of tax revenue etc. then it gets prohibitively expensive.

So get legal status to those already here, strengthen the border, implement E-verify, Have a BIG DOOR immigration policy that lets agriculture workers(on seasonal basis), tech workers or anyone the economy needs. Remember AS THE BABY BOOMERS retire we need more immigrants to pay for their Social security and Medicare. USA is the only developed country that has a very favorable economic future with a growing population due to its immigration policy. Europe is having all the economic trouble as its population ages and a declining population to pay for their benefits as they retire. [/quote]

Exactly the argument the last time we had amnesty and now we have 11 million (or more) illegal immigrants.  Legalizing people who sneak simply incentivizes people to sneak in.  But I guess "it will be different this time" right?  We don't need to change immigration; we already let [b]1 MILLION[/b] people a year immigrate here legally; what we need is to actually enforce our laws and start deporting the millions of people who are here illegally.   We don't need immigration reform; we need deportation reform.[/quote]

Arm chair generals CAN ONLY RANT and SHOUT. You are not educated to think about the cause and effects. Thats why you are nowhere near power. Because it is not a black or white issue. It is a costly affair and NO POLITICIAN IN AMERICA including TRUMP CAN or WILL do it. Trump is conning a segment for votes, thats about it. He will back off saying "Believe me It is yugely expensive to send them back, how about we be NICE to them and give them legal status without citizenship". If it could have been done, Reagan would have done it, and both Bushes would have. But none of them were for deportation. WHY NOT? Because to make decisions that have consequences is EASY TO SHOUT but not easy to make at a very high cost to this country.[/quote]

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