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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Undocumented workers are here for the same reason every single one of us has $600 phone in their pocket that would cost three times as much if it were made in the US.  We like cheap stuff. It raises our standard of living.

As long as we are shipping products and capital across borders, people should be (relatively) free to move for better opportunities as well.[/quote]

It raises WHOSE standard of living?  Yours? Assuming you are already middle class which it sounds like you are.  Because American unskilled uneducated workers aren't the ones buying the cheap crap that raises YOUR standard of living.  They cant afford it.  (And it is all crap!) Maybe what our consumerist greedy country needs is less "cheap" stuff that we dispose of quickly anyway and more better paying jobs to raise the standard of living for ALL AMERICANS?

And quit relying on what is essentially slave labor from under the table illegal workers who are willing to work for pennies and send most of it back home to their countries anyway doing very little for our economy while draining us of resources.   Immigration is a must but illegal immigration only benifits the corporations with cheap slave labor and greedy consumerist Americans that want their cheap crap no matter whose back it breaks.

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PP, here.  Yellow Nectarines are $1.99/lb at Whole Foods this week.  How much would the be if native born Americans were picking them?

I would prefer a much more flexible immigration system, so everyone who comes here would be documented.[/quote]

This cost has to be offset by the costs associated with our support of illegals healthcare (ER rooms) which is shared, they failure of them to pay taxes at a high participation rate, the strain on the school system (I live in AZ and we have to have dedicated English language tutors in all elementary schools), etc.   Quite frankly I would be fine with a guest worker program where migrants who worked in the agriculture industry were carefully screened, documented, and tracked on a come and go basis (seasonal).    This type of program could be implemented now, forcing those without such documentation to leave due to the inability to work.

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Who is blocking ANY immigration bill? The democrats have agreed to border control after giving legal status to those who are already here. But the GOP somehow thinks they can deport everyone of them without any DIRECT COST of finding them, separating them from their family, taking them through the courts and finally deporting them. Then if you include the Indirect costs of the effect of losing over 10 Million over night(relatively short time frame) on the economy, loss of tax revenue etc. then it gets prohibitively expensive.

So get legal status to those already here, strengthen the border, implement E-verify, Have a BIG DOOR immigration policy that lets agriculture workers(on seasonal basis), tech workers or anyone the economy needs. Remember AS THE BABY BOOMERS retire we need more immigrants to pay for their Social security and Medicare. USA is the only developed country that has a very favorable economic future with a growing population due to its immigration policy. Europe is having all the economic trouble as its population ages and a declining population to pay for their benefits as they retire. [/quote]

What do you mean by “legal status?”  I am not opposed to “legal status” as long as it doesn’t mean citizenship. 
I am very much opposed to giving citizenship to those that came illegally when we have millions waiting in line to do it the right way.  [/quote]

Get them legal status, as in they can legally find work and pay taxes(not citizenship), and put them at the end of the queue(BEHIND all the legal immigrants) for getting permanent residency. If you have a large population that are in limbo land(not citizens or PRs, not visa holders but "special status") thats not good and it makes no difference since it will take them decades to become citizens anyways if they are behind everyone.[/quote]

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