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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So...OP you basically want Kasich out because it gives Trump a better chance on the first ballot.

If I am the RNC (i.e. establishment GOP) and I hate Trump, why would I ever tell Kasich to get out?  That would be cutting off my own foot.

Plus, the only rail to derail Trump is an open convention.  It would not surprise me one bit if the RNC is encouraging Kasich to stay in the race just for that reason. [/quote]

It's not about giving Trump an edge but about a fair election process. Both Cruz and Trump want him out. He can still hold on to his delegates just like Rubio did and hope for a brokered convention.[/quote]

I have seen the "unfair" word used more than once and I do not see how it applies.  You are saying it is unfair for him to stay in the race although he cannot "win" the nomination that way.  How is it unfair and to whom?  Electoral politics are not inherently "fair."

Of course Cruz and Trump want him out.  They realize he could steal some states and delegates.  If I am him, I stay in the race and try to rack up as many additional delegates as I can.  Then at least I would be going into the convention with some leverage and some influence on the nomination.   [/quote]

It's unfair to the voters who wait in line for hours and stay in the caucuses for hours and think their votes will determine the nominee. It's unfair to the candidates who still have mathematical chance to clinch the nomination. Kasich needs 120% of the remaining votes.  His only hope is a brokered convention where delegates picked by the voters become unbound. Basically he is staying in a voting process to try to invalidate that exact election.[/quote]

Why is playing by the rules unfair?[/quote]

Marco still has more delegates today than Kasich, even he dropped out weeks ago. Everyone that doesn't have a chance has already dropped out. Most of the people have the decency to quit after the voters have spoken loud and clear. There should be a rule created to stop sore losers like Kasich. [/quote]

So while he is playing by the rules set by the RNC, he should have the "decency" to drop out?  Just wondering whether it occurred to anyone that the GOP PTB are encouraging him NOT to drop out?

[b]Well, if those voters think that their vote will determine the nominee, they clearly do not know how the nomination process works.[/b] The candidates certainly know it.  Would you also say that it is unfair that someone could lose the popular vote in the GE, but still win the Presidency?  My point is that the current process does not guarantee a "fair" election in the way that you are defining fairness.  [/quote]

You keep mentioning these magic "rules". The only rule everyone but stubborn Kasich sees is that he needs more than 120% of the available votes to win. The game is over for him. Every decent human being would have already dropped out. I don't remember anyone in the history of primary elections continue to run when he or she has long been eliminated mathematically. He can still participate the brokered convention if there is one. But he shouldn't be allowed to stay in the primary race.

If people's votes don't matter, why are we even wasting a year's of time and billions of dollars to have a primary election? In the history of nomination process, I think the majority of the nominees came out of the winner of the primary election. Voters' votes do matter a lot.[/quote]

There are no "magic" rules.  He cannot win on the first ballot.  That is only thing he has been eliminated from.

I am not sure you are consistent.  On one hand, you are saying that votes matter.  On the other hand, you seem to strongly imply that they only matter if the person being voted for has a chance to win.

If I were a Kasich supporter and my primary was upcoming, I would still want the ability to cast my vote for the candidate that I want - not be forced to vote for Trump or Cruz.  Maybe that where his decency kicks in - giving people who supported him since jump the ability to actually cast a vote for him.

[b]You talk about "dropping" out.   What does that even mean in this context? [/b] Rubio suspended his campaign but kept his delegates - he is still in play.  [/quote]

He should suspend his campaign just like everyone else did, but he may choose to keep his delegates. His name will still be on the ballot, and his voters can still vote for him. [/quote]

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