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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.[/quote]

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?
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The whole system is designed in a strange way[/b].[/quote]
The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.
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OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.[/quote]

You mean like the ones who hang out in clubs, drive fast cars and get into car accidents? [/quote]

GMU kids are great. Most hold some type of a part time job and live at home with their wealthy Persian family and are fully immersed in the DMV life. They graduate as fully functioning adults already integrated into the NOVA culture compared to a lot of sheletered Sorority girls from other colleges who can't start a sentence without playing with their blonde hair and saying tons of "likes" between words.[/quote]

This is one of the saddest and most pathetic statements I've seen on DCUM. OP - you are actually trying to make an argument using an old and tired stereotype. Only those who have a lack of analytical and critical thinking skills believe that they are "winning" an argument with this type debate. If I were a Pakistani woman I would be ashamed to call you a fellow countryman. Don't think it's not noticed that your need to put others down in order to make yourself feel better includes a deeply misogynistic message about blonde women. As a PP pointed out you are probably bitter because your kids (or you) were rejected from a better known university. Although GMU is a fine school and has gained a better reputation in recent years it still has a long way to go to be in the same rankings as some of the other universities to which I'm sure you're referring.

Also, you'll need to wrap your head around the concept of different cultures. The American college culture is one which includes living on campus for many. There is a reason for this which not only includes the life-long lessons of becoming an independent and learning about yourself and others, but also a majority of Americans attend their state, public university which is usually not in their town. They would have to travel too far to commute so they live on campus. It's a time in life which an American kid becomes an adult because they are forced to take care of themselves.

And trust me, no one can call themselves a "fully functioning" adult as long as they are living with mommy and daddy and having everything paid for them and taken care of them. I've actually known plenty of these GMU students and their wealthy Persian families...they are NOT fully functioning adults! Mommy does their laundry and prepares meals while they go out and party. They may not be on a campus doing it, but the are partying non the less.

Educate yourself and evaluate your need to put others down in order to make yourself feel better![/quote]

PLEASE get over yourself! [/quote]

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