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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm the OP and not  09:49 btw.

I wasn't really expecting you to judge if homosexual Muslims or Muslims in a same sex marriage will go to hellfire. The totality of an individual's acts in life will determine if their path is valid. And certainly the decision as to WHO goes to hellfire is with Allah alone. I understand that for all we know, a Muslim who is struggling with restraining his homosexuality but who deeply loves Allah may end up in Heaven but the heterosexual Muslim who prays, fasts, but engages in fornication regularly with no regret may not. Allah only knows.

I was trying to determine Muslim perception of one act, the lone act of homosexuality or same sex marriage for a Muslim and if it offends Muslims deeply and spiritually.

This is different from acknowledging that all the religious texts prohibit homosexuality because this is passive tolerance. I'm asking if you have that deep abiding belief and faith in what the Quran says about homosexuality as opposed to passive tolerance in what it says.

I am not struggling with my belief on this issue at all. But I definitely feel the preservation of Islam is absolutely threatened by anyone who doesn't have deep faith in Quranic decrees. In the last ten or so years, I've watched the liberal media and certain advocacy groups push the gay agenda with great determination, and in the process, vilify religious people who reject homosexuality based on their faith. There has been intense pressure put on religious groups to reform their faith and make it more inclusive to accept homosexuality. Some American Muslims are buckling under this pressure and, as a result, are supporting same sex marriage or at least no longer comfortable to openly reject it.

I find their apprehension in openly rejecting that which the Quran already openly rejected very interesting. Were you a supporter of same sex marriage ten or fifteen years ago? [/quote]

OP, I think the problem is that your question was unclear initially. I read you first question to be about the US laws that allow for gay marriage, not about a spiritual position about it. I answered with the mindset that I cannot support the government granting rights to one person that it does not to another. I don't feel pressure to feel this way at all (in fact, plenty of family members and friend's would disagree with my stance, I am sure). It's just a matter of how I feel a government should protect/treat its citizens.

I also agree with you that I think it is hard being religious in today's world. It has hard to be someone who believes in God and believes in obedience to God's decrees, especially if you're in academia or other largely "liberal," "progressive" fields. I have felt this too.

You want me to proclaim that homosexuality is a sin, and I do. But I don't/can't do more than that. I don't know what choices my gay friends have other than to build committed relationships with people they love and are attracted to. What do I do if a loved one who is Muslim is gay? Preach? Or love and support and reflect and pray?

I have more questions than answers and I turn to the Quran not just for rules to obey but for guidance about how to deal with questions, complexity, doubts, and difference, and I feel that throughout the Quran there are lessons about patience, tolerance, kindness, and forgiveness, doing what is right and praying for understanding.[/quote]

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