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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]You're getting blowback because of your insistence on a "random" aspect of the Jewish deaths. Why, exactly, do you keep trying to argue that there's any "random" component (once the deli had been chosen) of what was obviously a hate crime? There was nothing random about the fact that Jews were killed while shopping in a Jewish deli. The terrorists knew this, and it defies credulity to argue they had no clue there were Jews shopping in the Jewish deli and therefore the "killings" of Jews were even partially "random", unintended consequences. When you keep insisting on the "randomness" aspect of these Jewish deaths, despite the very dubious logic behind the distinction you're trying to draw, it's like you see hate crimes in one place but randomness where Jewish deaths are concerned.  
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We both agree that the deli was chosen because it was Jewish. I agreed with that in every post I made on the topic. As I understand the event, once in the deli, the killer randomly shot people. You disagree. So, please, in very clear and plain language, explain to me how some of those in the deli were selected to be shot and others were not.

Note, this is only a topic of discussion because I posted my opinion that the controversy over Obama's remarks was purely semantic. That the shootings themselves were random as he described them. The choice of the deli, however, was not random and neither Obama nor I have suggested that it was.
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I think Obama's use of the word "random" in that instance was probably clumsy rather than deliberate, a bit like how my teenagers use the word "random." Not something in his talking points (I used to draft those for senior officials). FWIW, I voted for Obama although I don't think he's progressive enough on many issues.

So why not assume this fairly obvious explanation.

You, however, ran with it in an opposite direction: 1. that Obama really meant "random" and 2. that this actually makes sense.  If you argue that the killings were partially random, however, you can't avoid lessening the The aspect of a hate crime. (Pretty sure you didn't need me to explain this, but you're welcome.)[/quote]

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