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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wealthier than athletes from non Ivy schools, I am sure, but not likely more wealthy than the student body as a whole, which I believe is the reference in the PP.[/quote] No, athletes overall. I went back and checked The Price of Admission: "...contrary to the stereotype, varsity athletes at elite colleges are more homogeneous, both racially and socioeconomically, than the student bodies as a whole." Good data and studies are cited to back the statement up. This is because colleges recruit from elite sports, like skiing, polo, crew, fencing, golf, etc. [/quote] Combined, all of the sports that you reference have fewer recruited athletes than football alone, and homogeneous does not mean wealthier. Perhaps less ethnically diverse and regionally more focused, but not necessarily wealthier. To quote directly from the Harvard website on athletic recruiting: "The majority of the Harvard football team receives a high level of scholarship."[/quote] Actually, wealthier is exactly what the author means. He is quite clear about that and gives specific examples. You are wrong about the number of football players vs other athletes, too. Google Title IX, for starters. [/quote] Aware of Title IX, thanks. Clearly not comparing football to all other sports, but to the 5 preppy sports mentioned by the poster. The bulk of the athletes at a school like Harvard are in fact in football, swimming, track and field, hockey, basketball, volleyball, wrestling, softball, baseball, and lacrosse and not the country-club 5. Final point, Golden is a hack and I am surprised that you are relying on his journalism as gospel.[/quote] Why do you think Golden is hack? The book seemed well-researched to me. However, it's not just Golden. If you poke around, you will find other sources to support his claim that recruited athletes include fewer URM and fewer low SES students than the student body as a whole, like these ones, from Harvard: http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/05/a-thumb-on-the-scale.html http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/5/17/how-fair-is-fair-harvard-embrbefore/ Also, I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the Ivy League allows each university to recruit a total of 230 athletes per year, of which 25 can be football players (previously was 35).[/quote]
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