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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote]Because as we all know, one cartoon depicting Elie Weasel or Anne Frank or Golda Meir in any 'off flavor' way, much less via outright obscenities, would mean termination, toute suite! Right? Like Mr. Sinet, the one Hebdo man who was terminated for merely suggesting Sarko's son was marrying Jewish to 'move on up.' Not a genital in sight. Nor a 'bad word.' Just a hint..So much for the phony baloney "nothing is sacred"

Because as we all know, (or should by now), all barnyard animals, people and religions are equal, but some are a whole lot more equal than others. wink wink[/quote][/quote]

It seems to be hard for you to understand that, post-Holocaust, Jews are a protected class in Europe.  Luckily, you're here in America, where you can mock whoever you wish.  Have at it.[/quote]

Given Europe's role and enslavement of Africans, torture and murders of millions of Africans for decades in the name of the slave trade, maybe then,  they should have made Africans or Black people a protected class and made the denial of slavery a crime punishable by law? After all, slavery has been recognized as a crime against humanity [/quote]

Muslima, you really need to try harder (and I have never heard of anybody denying the historic fact of slavery, have you ever heard of anybody saying that black slaves actually came on their own to the US and were never enslaved?).  I am troubled by laws that punish Holocaust deniers (and I am from Europe), but you need to understand that these laws were passed after European governments that embraced the Nazi idelogy, in Germany and elsewhere, theorized the annihilation of an entire etnic group, resulting in ther metodical extermination of about 6 millions people.   in some countries Jews were wiped out, in France about 1 fourth of the jewish population was killed. This kind of ideology is still alive in Europe.   [/quote]

It doesn't make the censoring okay.  People with that ideology are rioting in the streets of Dresden to demand an end to Muslim immigration to Germany.  But you don't see the government of Germany muzzling them.  Because if they did, then they would have to silence people with an opposing viewpoint.  You have to concede Muslima's point that selective censorship is hypocritical.  In this case, Germany has it wrong.  France has it wrong when it tries to ban the hijab.  I understand her viewpoint on hypocrisy about this issue.  [b]But I don't understand her seemingly conditional viewpoints on when it is wrong and when it isn't based upon whether you are a part of the oppressed group or not[/b], anymore than I understand your attempt to make such an argument here.  Free speech means tolerating speech that you find offensive in the name of being able to speak yourself.  THAT is what people "need to understand."[/quote]

That is not my viewpoint!  I never recommended a limit on free speech by governments.  My point was and remains that it is hypocritical to talk about free speech being absolute in the West "We all agree there are always going to be lines that, for the purposes of law and order, cannot be crossed; or for the purposes of taste and decency, should not be crossed. We differ only on where those lines should be drawn. And why have you been so silent on the glaring double standards? Did you not know that Charlie Hebdo sacked the veteran French cartoonist Maurice Sinet in 2008 for making an allegedly anti-Semitic remark? Were you not aware that Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that published caricatures of the Prophet in 2005, reportedly rejected cartoons mocking Christ because they would "provoke an outcry" and proudly declared it would "in no circumstances... publish Holocaust cartoons"?

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