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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm saying that these motivations are basically humanistic, irrespective of the religious garb that covers them.    The message is that all humans should be treated with respect.  Jesus said something like that -- so did revered figures from other religions.  But religions can also include a lot of conflicting beliefs are are not humanistic and are in fact cruel.  It's the common humanistic beliefs that positively motivate religious people to do good for others.[/quote]

You seem to be conflating altruism, religion and humanism, and I'd argue that you don't seem to understand any of these very well.

In fact, some would argue that altruism itself is motivated by survival instincts, and is passed by genes in various species to different extents. These people would argue that it makes no sense to assume either (a) religious OR (b) secular humanist motives. So they'd accuse you of babbling about the existence of secular humanist motives. But I digress.

Your main problem here is understanding categories, and the idea of things being "mutually exclusive." If I could draw a Venn diagram I would, but maybe this will work. 
(a)  Nobody has to be altruistic.
(b)  There is, however, a universe of altrustic people. 
(c)  For the universe of altruistic people, the motivation is
          (1) a religion; or
          (2) a secular humanist philosophy.
Note  that (1) and (2) are the sources of these altruistic values . But also, (1) and (2) are mutually exclusive.

Clear now?

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religions and secular humanism are not mutually exclusive -- they have much in common.  They usually differ in that secular humanism does not have a supernatural diety.  but some religions don't have a supernatural deity either,  like buddhism[/quote]

Check out this new research: It’s Official: Religion Doesn’t Make You More Moral
A recent study comparing views on morality of religious and non-religious people found something surprising: Religion doesn’t make our everyday lives more moral.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/23/it-s-official-religion-doesn-t-make-you-more-moral.html[/quote]

That's related to this thread.... how?[/quote]

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